Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

Who did you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 137 13.9%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 378 38.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 304 30.9%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 27 2.7%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 10 1.0%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 20 2.0%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • DUP

    Votes: 4 0.4%

  • UUP

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • SDLP

    Votes: 3 0.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 1.6%

  • Abstain

    Votes: 80 8.1%
  • Total voters
    985
  • Poll closed .
liberals are only out for themselves or they would have already done the right thing and got behind the countries 1st choice albeit 19! seats short of a majority governemnt.


WE NEED TO RERUN ELECTION ASAP
 
Dolph said:
And is now massively outdated due to devolution and the changes in places such as the house of lords.
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Have you actually read it or are you just assuming that?

The conclusions might change slightly I guess, but the substantive analysis in the report is on the well-known advantages/disadvantages of the various voting systems so I am doubtful an 'update' would lead to any particularly substantive alterations.
 
lozzick said:
Labour support reform, Lib dems do. Torys oppose it as its their only hope of keeping power as the more media savvy generations come up through and start voting with the correct incentives
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I'd say this forum is a good example of a relatively well informed group of 'young' voters and the Conservatives are clearly the most popular amongst us.

The Lib Dems are also popular on here, but Labour and their socialist authoritarianism are far behind.
 
oldbag said:
Heh, so we could again end up with 5 years more of labour? Surely they won't have a majority with just the lib dems?
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Nope, but don't put it past labour to spend a fortune to secure the smaller parties. Who have already told how much black mail they require.

One More Solo said:
Why would the result be any different?
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Because a lot of people don't want this mess and what it is doing to the economy.
People will of also been put of by one side or the other.

What was the shortest hung parliament? was it 3 weeks?
 
oldbag said:
Heh, so we could again end up with 5 years more of labour? Surely they won't have a majority with just the lib dems?
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No, they'd need to give in to the ransom demands of the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru which would sell out the English people yet again.

Also, it wouldn't be five years, it would be 6months at best.
 
Ahleckz said:
"Media savvy generations"?
What, the idiots that will vote based on soundbites and other 'cool' things?
Just as well the 'Lib Dem Facebook Army' were too lazy to actually go out and register to vote.

They are support their proposed changes to the electoral system to benefit their own interests, none of them are particular concerned about creating a fair system. There is no such thing as a fair system, people will always be unrepresented and others will be over represented.
I'm all for electoral reform, I'm also a Conservative voter. But we need to find a system that works for the majority - and it can't be born from the wills of ONE political party. There requires an informed, unbiased debate that is kept separate from party politics like the one that has happened before.
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Exactly too many kids with their 1st vote who think they know how the world ticks, I just hope they will be happy when they realise that they have messed their own future stability up by creating this mess of a political situation to happen. Tories would have however unpopular got a grip on the economic mess that is GB PLC and would have got us back in shape of some sort over the term. Thus allowing for the LAB/LIB crew then do what they want with self serving politics.
Just look at the markets reaction to all this LIB/LAB talk they just don't trust them.

Take heed you wippersnappers you have been warned
 
If there was a perfectly equal distribution of votes nationally then the Conservatives would have won every seat based on FPTP. I guess in essence I can see why people would feel that this is a bad thing, but in reality, FPTP fairly represents who the majority of people voted for.

The reality is that in area where the Lib Dems secured a large portion of the vote, they were still beaten by either Labour or the Conservatives. The majority in each constituency is therefore fairly represented. If each constituency was made up of an equal number of voters who elected only one party then parliament would demonstrate PR.

The fact is that devolution of central powers to local government means that local government is important. FPTP is the only way to elect a candidate in a constituency as you can't apportion a single seat. In turn, a candidate who wins the popular vote cannot lead a government when they only control a minority of the MPs.
 
Ahleckz said:
Agreed, but I prefer Marr. They need to have a love child, could you imagine the political reporting God that it would become?
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I actually prefer Nick, although Andrew Marr did set the baseline for the "Political Editor" role, I believe Nick Robinson has done very well in making it his own, and always draws the viewer in with his presenting style and charisma.
 
gambitt said:
Neither would the greens or any small other party if you're talking 5% at national level.
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And there's absolutely no guarantee that they will stay that way under PR.

Depending on the surrounding circumstances, I could consider putting the greens (for social liberalism) or UKIP (for fiscal liberalism) as my second party choice under MMP/AMS/AV+.
 
oldbag said:
Heh, so we could again end up with 5 years more of labour? Surely they won't have a majority with just the lib dems?
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LD + SNP + Plaid Cymru + Labour + Green is a majority.
Be prepared for
- all cuts only affecting England and NOT Wales or Scotland
- lots more fuel duty, road tax and so on
- no nuclear power stations
- other green taxes
- another 5 years of socialism
 
Dolph said:
And there's absolutely no guarantee that they will stay that way under PR.

Depending on the surrounding circumstances, I could consider putting the greens (for social liberalism) or UKIP (for fiscal liberalism) as my second party choice under MMP/AMS/AV+.
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True, also the fact that many people won't vote for the minority parties as it is essentially throwing their vote away, will start to vote for the smaller parties if they knew their voted actually counted.
 
So you honestly believe the best option for this country right now, is to enter into a system where every 5 years we would have this embarassing mess that we have now. A state where Clegg is whoring him self around with little regard for "national interest" whilst the pound continues to take a beating? A party with the support of 2.3 people out of every 10 who voted suddenly has ALL the power as to who forms the next government, that strikes me as being more undemocratic than PR to be frank.
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You realise it sounds equally ridiculous when you say that a party with the support of 3.6 people out of every 10 who voted should have ALL the power to form the next government.
 
avec said:
No, they'd need to give in to the ransom demands of the Scottish National Party and Plaid Cymru which would sell out the English people yet again.
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Not quite.
They need to be able to command a majority (that is, not be defeated at Queen's speech and so on).

LabLib = 315 - YAYS.
Con = 306 - NAYS.

Difference of 9.

That leaves the SNP (6) and Plaid Cymru (3) and 14 others (excluding 5 Sinn Fein).

Make of that what you will, but it needs 9 NAYS for defeat, or if everyone else abstains = LabLib government.
 
WTF, I leave work just before 5pm and after stopping off in town I get home to "Gordo's resigned"... Why couldn't it happen whilst I'm at work! :p

So, another un-elected Prime Minister coming up?

Also how come Clegg has suddenly gone all backstabbing and lying? Or was he always like that but the Lib-Dem voters didn't care?
 
D.P. said:
Under PR with a 5% cut-off the BNP still wouldn't have any seats.
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Which would make it less proportional, wouldn't it?

Personally I think that if half a million drooling racist halfwits vote BNP they should get a proportional number of seats, probably 5 or so. Just because I loathe and despise everything they stand for does not mean the part of the electorate they represent should be excluded from the democratic process.
 
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