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Incredible video, the realword difference between 480 & 5970

Hmmm, I've just done a massive U-turn.

The 5870's are staying, some of you guys are dangerously persuasive.

I hope I've made the right choice.

I kinda fail at my own thread...
 
I myself have just sold a 5870 x fire setup and pre ordered a zotac 480 gtx amp edition and some 3D glasses. I have to say I was more than happy with my 5870's performance and never had any issues with drivers either. It remains to be seen if I will regret my decision to change to the 480 but to be honest with the lack of good games I thought 3D might make some older ones more fun and its always good to have some new toys to play with:D
 
Mr Krugga said:
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I think the OP should judge graphics cards by PhysX capability next time around.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/163?vs=158

Hope you watercool that 480 and clock the nutz of it for great justice.
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wut!?

Buying decisions should be made on how well they can cook bacon. I though everybody knew this?
 
so because of a couple of bad drivers 10.6 and 10.7 and better tessalation in games erm ...the only one I can think off from the top of the my head is Metro 2033 (which is written with the dodgy coding) and supposed minimum frame rate issues..(not seen myself) ..people are jumping to more expensive move power hungry green team ?:confused::o

Wow what a mad world we live in ...:eek:


In the near future....;)


John:Hi m8 were u off ?
Fred:Off back in to town ..to get 2 5870's again..
John:WTF ? you just sold em 2 months ago to get a 480GTX ??
Fred:ah you haven't heard yet the new 11 series drivers are out and give a massive boost to tessalation ....it has to be true because brent at Hard OCP says it is ..
John:fred......
Fred:yeah...?
John:You really are a tool ...
 
thats possibly the most pointless benchmark i have seen in ages. not even close to a demonstation of 'real-world' performance between the two, since we all know that Unigine Engine basically licks the sack of the current NVIDIA cards due to their impressive tesellation performance. thats like comparing AMD and Intel back in the days of K8 vs. Netburst, and judging performance based on how much K8 annihilated Netburst in the memory latency test for example, even though the whole world understood why K8 was so much faster in that area. how about we post a 'fair' demonstation between the two rather than an NVIDIA favouring joke? :confused:
 
barjoysee said:
so because of a couple of bad drivers 10.6 and 10.7 and better tessalation in games ... and supposed minimum frame rate issues..(not seen myself) ..people are jumping to more expensive move power hungry green team ?:confused::o
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As I explained above, multi-GPU setups simply don't have the same real-world performance as is suggested by average-FPS benchmarks, or even minimum framerate values.

Also - why would you feel the need to put forward your point of view by putting someone else down? Kind of childish isn't it?
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Ask rjkoneill, it's his thread that made me jump to a 480.
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The thread that he raved about the higher minimums, when 3 of his 5 own benchmarks showed the 5870xfire had higher minimums.......... yup, I'll take that with a grain of salt, not to mention he failed to deactivate vsync properly for at least one benchmark.

I get makes on a STOCK 5850 of well over 100 fps in Just Cause and his max just happened to be 60, on both the xfire and single card IIRC. Yup, a non perfectly working setup is the IDEAL situation in which to compare cards, especially when you actively ignore the conclusions and claim something directly at odds with the results you yourself come up with. 3 of my 5 benchies show higher min fps on the 5870xfire....... so I'll naturally claim that the 480gtx has higher min fps, of course.

I'm fairly sure it was him that claimed poor scaling in ALL games with xfire, despite proof everywhere of what utter rubbish that is.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/162?vs=163

Infact lots of people claim it scales badly, the ONLY time it scales badly in those situations in those games listed, is as it approaches the cpu limit.


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/158?vs=159

You will notice of course that 480gtx sli bottlenecks at the SAME points in the SAME games at the SAME res as the 5870xfire.

Damn that awful scaling xfire which manages to scale very very similarly to Nvidia, even in TWIMTBP titles, damn them all to hell.
 
Duff-Man said:
As I explained above, multi-GPU setups simply don't have the same real-world performance as is suggested by average-FPS benchmarks, or even minimum framerate values.

Also - why would you feel the need to put forward your point of view by putting someone else down? Kind of childish isn't it?
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weird that the last couple of 'king of the hill' cards have all been Multi-GPU cards, 4870X2, GTX 295, HD 5970, they are clearly the faster cards. whats even more astonishing is the fact that in this supposed 'benchmark' the HD 5970 is apparently drawing less power than the GTX 480, they also generate less heat as well if im not mistaken? and in more or less all benchmarks i have ever looked at the dual-GPU HD 5970 beats the GTX 480. :confused:

and did i also mention how worthless such a benchmark is when we all know fine well that FERMI is much better at tessellation, especially Unigine Engine?
 
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It's a joke because it showcases the main features of DX11 and it just happens Nvidia excel at them said features this generation, you can check the below bench out as well, another fine example of DX11 goodness, just for reference a 5870 at 1000 core averages 44 fps in the stone giant bench, the 480 does 99 fps, now tell me that performance is not relevant to any game that has tessellation enabled. :rolleyes:

http://www.bigdownload.com/games/stone-giant/pc/bitsquid-stone-giant-benchmark-tech-demo/
 
don't see the point in comparing cards in something that isn't widely used as this current moment, especially with the 6*** series on the horizon which might very well add improved tessellation performance to the ATI cards. the current ATIs have been around ages longer than FERMI cards as well. the thing that surprises me is the fact the HD 5970 is still faster than the GTX 480 even though its older and about to be replaced, spent its whole lonely life on the top! ;)
 
Duff-Man said:
As I explained above, multi-GPU setups simply don't have the same real-world performance as is suggested by average-FPS benchmarks, or even minimum framerate values.

Also - why would you feel the need to put forward your point of view by putting someone else down? Kind of childish isn't it?
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Spot on, one thing a benchmark and another thing actually playing the game.
 
Gashman said:
weird that the last couple of 'king of the hill' cards have all been Multi-GPU cards, 4870X2, GTX 295, HD 5970, they are clearly the faster cards. whats even more astonishing is the fact that in this supposed 'benchmark' the HD 5970 is apparently drawing less power than the GTX 480, they also generate less heat as well if im not mistaken? and in more or less all benchmarks i have ever looked at the dual-GPU HD 5970 beats the GTX 480. :confused:

and did i also mention how worthless such a benchmark is when we all know fine well that FERMI is much better at tessellation, especially Unigine Engine?
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Fermi is extremely power-hungry, and the heaven benchmark is unrepresentative of gaming performance. I've said this several times. If you think I am trying to say otherwise, you have misunderstood my posts.

My point is simply that the level of multi-GPU performance is over-estimated by looking at average and/or minimum framerates, without taking frame-time irregularity into account. You cannot compare performance on single-GPU systems with multi-GPU systems for this reason (I even wrote a program to quantify this effect, in case you're interested - see above). Big scores on big-title benchmarks bring in the punters and command high price-tags, sure, but they don't tell the real story.

Hence, there is always a valid argument for choosing the fastest single-card solution. At the moment that is the GTX480 - if you can put up with the excess power consumption. When the ATI 6-series is released, that may change. It's really not that complex of a concept.

Consider as anecdotal evidence, that several people on this forum have switched from a crossfire setup to a single GTX480 and reported better gameplay experiences (plenty of examples here and here). I'm not aware of any examples of people claiming the converse.
 
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don't see the point in comparing cards in something that isn't widely used as this current moment, especially with the 6*** series on the horizon which might very well add improved tessellation performance to the ATI cards. the current ATIs have been around ages longer than FERMI cards as well. the thing that surprises me is the fact the HD 5970 is still faster than the GTX 480 even though its older and about to be replaced, spent its whole lonely life on the top! ;)
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Ehh, the 5970 came out only 4 months before the 480 and you're expecting the single GPU card to own it lol.
 
Have to say i have the 59 and it doesnt run like that. Also the Oc on that card!! :) 735/1010.

Ahh well Iam sure if we looked hard enough we could find a BM that shows a 286 battering a 980x :)
 
RavenXXX2 said:
It's a joke because it showcases the main features of DX11 and it just happens Nvidia excel at them said features this generation, you can check the below bench out as well, another fine example of DX11 goodness, just for reference a 5870 at 1000 core averages 44 fps in the stone giant bench, the 480 does 99 fps, now tell me that performance is not relevant to any game that has tessellation enabled. :rolleyes:

http://www.bigdownload.com/games/stone-giant/pc/bitsquid-stone-giant-benchmark-tech-demo/
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Can you name a game with tesselation where the 480gtx enjoys a 50fps lead after tesselation is enabled and has no lead before hand? No, so how can you say its relevant to any game that has tesselation, its only relevant to a game using the SAME ENGINE using the SAME LEVEL of tesselation, of which there are no.

THere is no game that uses the amount as that tech demo, because, its a tech demo with very little to consider except using tesselation to the max.


Tesselation is great, in real world games with more things to draw and aren't as perfect as a benchmark/tech demo we simply won't see that level of tesselation involvement for another couple years. Tesselation performance in that demo will be relevant when games use that level of tesselation, however in a couple years those games will be out and Nvidia and AMD will have cards that make the 480gtx look like a retarded monkey in terms of tesselation speed, what relevance will the 480gtx lead in a tech demo today have when up against the 680 gtx in two years thats 4 times as fast with 10 times the tesselation performance and those new games will simply run at such a slow fps with tesselation enabled on a 480gtx/5870 that no one in their right mind would enable the settings, errm, none.
 
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