In Mensa!

Castiel · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:01

dowie said:
I wouldn't agree with that tbh...

I don't believe that knowledge or education are themselves components of 'intelligence'.

You seem to be implying that 'intelligence' and 'raw potential' are limited to the sort of analytical skills perhaps indicate by IQ tests. IQ tests are simply a test of how good someone is at passing IQ tests - you might infer from them that someone is likely to be good at xzy but that's about it. The result of an IQ test is a single parameter - it really doesn't tell you much about the capacity of an individual given that intelligence is a very broad and complex area.

Not limited by, indicated by. an IQ test is a psychological test, not simply an analytical one. It is a measure of raw intellectual or cognitive potential, nothing more. I cannot see why people seem to fail to understand this. I am not refering to the broader aspect of someones knowledge or capacity to learn or wider aspects of intelligence. Simply saying all it proves is that you are good at IQ test is facile. To be good at IQ tests is a valid indication of cognitive potential.

Lets get away from applying 'IQ tests' to anything other than the standardised psychological exams you sit in a classroom, it muddies the definition somewhat.

MajorMaccas · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:11

Kamerad said:
How can you diagnose someone as having Narcissistic Personality Disorder over the internet. This thread just needs closing now as its become pathetic.

I knew adding that little scenario would invite a few unqualified eggheads to analyse my psyche, and provide a diagnosis. :rolleyes:

Castiel · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:12

The_Sophisticate said:
I knew adding that little scenario would invite a few unqualified eggheads to analyse my psyche, and provide a diagnosis.

No you didn't. It was an unintended consequence.

Bluraybunny · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:12

In Mensa, no one can hear you scream.....

MajorMaccas · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:14

Castiel said:
No you didn't. It was an unintended consequence.

Oh really, given that there's already been analytical attempts made earlier in the thread? Baiting

Vita · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:14

OP. Seriously, What the heck?

CliffyBiro · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:18

The_Sophisticate said:
Oh really, given that there's already been analytical attempts made earlier in the thread? Baiting

No swearing, posting of "adult" material, personal attacks or "trolling"

What, are you like the Creeper? Comes out every 23 months to feed for 23 days?

dowie · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:21

Castiel said:
It is a measure of raw intellectual or cognitive potential, nothing more.

erm it isn't though - even if it were it would be crude at best - the result is a single figure! Intelligence is a very complex and broad area which can't really be covered by these IQ tests. Even for the areas they do aim to measure there are dangers of over-emphasising some over others, someone with a high ability in some areas and lower in others could be assigned the same score as someone with more average abilities across the spectrum being measured. Certain areas will be weighted more heavily regardless of the intentions of the test designers.

Essentially you could perhaps infer that someone might have high potential in certain areas from the test result but essentially they are just a measure of how good you are at IQ tests. They're certainly not a measure of 'intelligence'.

Rameses · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:29

I remember getting a 128 IQ in school, not sure if that was any good? Didn't do well at all in my exams though!

Did a online one a few months ago and I think I got 117.

To me though, if your not surrounded by maths (in particular) everyday (i.e. studying or on the job) then you lose that way of thinking for these types of tests.

It really shouldn't be a way of marking people, I guess its what you do with your education that defines how 'intelligent' a person is.

Robbo · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:34

The_Sophisticate, you would think someone with such a high IQ would know that if you post and say - 'Moderators, please close the thread', they will most likely close it.

This will save you any further embarrassment as you are being made to look an absolute pleb, however anyone who posts pictures of their male genitalia on a porn website obviously has mental issues so you fully deserve it.

Never has the word 'Owned' been more appropriate.

Castiel · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:35

dowie said:
erm it isn't though - even if it were it would be crude at best - the result is a single figure! Intelligence is a very complex and broad area which can't really be covered by these IQ tests. Even for the areas they do aim to measure there are dangers of over-emphasising some over others, someone with a high ability in some areas and lower in others could be assigned the same score as someone with more average abilities across the spectrum being measured. Certain areas will be weighted more heavily regardless of the intentions of the test designers.

Essentially you could perhaps infer that someone might have high potential in certain areas from the test result but essentially they are just a measure of how good you are at IQ tests. They're certainly not a measure of 'intelligence'.

It would seem that the vast body of scholars disagree with you. The standard IQ tests are recognised indicators of general cognitive ability. They are designed to be general predictors and so your position in a percentile bracket would be a valid indicator.

It is not a hard and fast high IQ = Clever, but it is a valid and accepted predictor of general cognitive and intellectual ability. Your raw score is meaningless without the differential implied by the Percentile Bell Curve. They are basically stating that your score indicated that you are within a certain general bracket and can be used as a predictor of your general intelligence.

sunama · 4 Sep 2010 at 13:56

Why is everyone giving the OP such a hard time?

To me it seems that he is young man, who is yet to find his identity. He seems like an intelligent guy and has decided to do a little bit of willy waving. This may annoy some, but if it does, you can simply ignore the thread or all of his posts.

I'm not sure I understand why so many feel the need for personal attacks. From what I can tell, he is only a teenager, so I think the adults in this thread should certainly go easy on him.

MajorMaccas · 4 Sep 2010 at 14:04

Castiel said:
It would seem that the vast body of scholars disagree with you. The standard IQ tests are recognised indicators of general cognitive ability. They are designed to be general predictors and so your position in a percentile bracket would be a valid indicator.

It is not a hard and fast high IQ = Clever, but it is a valid and accepted predictor of general cognitive and intellectual ability. Your raw score is meaningless without the differential implied by the Percentile Bell Curve. They are basically stating that your score indicated that you are within a certain general bracket and can be used as a predictor of your general intelligence.

Just a side track thought I had, and you appear to be more of an authority on IQ than I, but is perception linked at all?

I only ask because of a few oddities: I can generally tell what handedness a person is, I only took 6 2h driving lessons before taking my test never having driven anything prior, and, loosely associated to driving, passed the 5 day forklift course in fewer than 5 days.

Not bragging or looking for acceptance or crying for attention :rolleyes:

Just given the IQ result I received, just curious if they're linked. Subsequently, depending on your answer, is it possible to have high IQ and low perceptive/learning capacities, or vice versa?

iamTakeo · 4 Sep 2010 at 14:09

The_Sophisticate said:
I knew adding that little scenario would invite a few unqualified eggheads to analyse my psyche, and provide a diagnosis.

I think he's trying to cause trouble by constantly trolling us with his stupid superiority complex.

I'd love to put The_Sophisticate in 1966 China and see how he feels about his attitude then.

Vita · 4 Sep 2010 at 14:52

The_Sophisticate said:
Just a side track thought I had, and you appear to be more of an authority on IQ than I, but is perception linked at all?

I only ask because of a few oddities: I can generally tell what handedness a person is, I only took 6 2h driving lessons before taking my test never having driven anything prior, and, loosely associated to driving, passed the 5 day forklift course in fewer than 5 days.

Not bragging or looking for acceptance or crying for attention Just given the IQ result I received, just curious if they're linked. Subsequently, depending on your answer, is it possible to have high IQ and low perceptive/learning capacities, or vice versa?

Sorry, but you make out to be like you're the only person in the world who can achieve something under the given time, it would normally take a "normal" person to. In the real world you wouldn't last, never-mind working for an
employer.

Seriously, get your head out of the clouds, and smell the coffee. NOT everything is about numbers, or how much IQ you have, or whether you've joined a cult. Boasting doesn't get you nowhere as you have seen for yourself. Fair enough you've got a high IQ, but with the way you come across, it just doesn't seem like it.

MajorMaccas · 4 Sep 2010 at 15:01

Vita said:
In the real world you wouldn't last, never-mind working for an employer.

What does this even mean? I've been in contiguous employment since 2004, as for "lasting" um :confused:

Don't take it so personally. I never referred or implied a "normal" person. But it is a 5 day course for someone new to forklifting. There's a 3 day couse if you've had previous experience to get you up to speed as it were, I took 4 days. A new 19 year old joined after me and took all 5.

Vita · 4 Sep 2010 at 15:08

The_Sophisticate said:
What does this even mean? I've been in contiguous employment since 2004, as for "lasting" um

Don't take it so personally. I never referred or implied a "normal" person. But it is a 5 day course for someone new to forklifting. There's a 3 day couse if you've had previous experience to get you up to speed as it were, I took 4 days. A new 19 year old joined after me and took all 5.

What employment is this then?

I haven't taken anything personally. And if I did, it certainly wouldn't be from you.

dowie · 4 Sep 2010 at 15:10

Castiel said:
It would seem that the vast body of scholars disagree with you. The standard IQ tests are recognised indicators of general cognitive ability. They are designed to be general predictors and so your position in a percentile bracket would be a valid indicator.

I'll call BS on that one - they're controversial as measures of intelligence and 'intelligence' itself is an ill defined subject. They measure certain aspects of what might be described as 'intelligence' but essentially IQ is just a measure of IQ. They were originally designed to identify kids with special needs. FWIW Binet himself didn't agree that they measured intelligence.

Your raw score is meaningless without the differential implied by the Percentile Bell Curve. They are basically stating that your score indicated that you are within a certain general bracket and can be used as a predictor of your general intelligence.

'the percentile bell curve' - are you American? I guess some people refer to it as a Gaussian or normal distribution others simply as the bell curve but that's a new one...

Wicksta · 4 Sep 2010 at 15:33

sunama said:
I'm not sure I understand why so many feel the need for personal attacks. From what I can tell, he is only a teenager, so I think the adults in this thread should certainly go easy on him.

He's in his 20s from what people have said here (and going by the fact he's had the same job for the last 6 years).

sunama · 4 Sep 2010 at 15:39

Okay, my mistake...he is in his 20's, but looks young, none the less.

Is there any reason to take such offence to him believing that he is "all that"? Why the personal attacks?

If someone thinks that they are "all that", sometimes it is best to just leave them be. By him believing that he is "all that", he isn't hurting anybody...right?