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DiamondMark said:
But it dosent matter what happened before, what is missing, what is edited or what she did, she is nearly 60, a woman and in the police station for a trivial charge.
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It's not a trivial charge.

DiamondMark said:
You dont rant at old women then drag them to a cell when you are a copper, or if you do you want the sack, along with the other 5 useless lumps standing watching.
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Err, sometimes you do depending on their attitude and cooperativeness. I have no issue with his actions in this part apart from the fact the removal to the cell should have been assisted by other officers for the suspect's safety.
 
Scubascorpion said:
Ahh more excerpts of video when no one but the police who were there know the whole story.
How do you know she hadn't been grabbing hold of them, pulling hair gouging her nails into the officers and all sorts of other tricks to try and prevent her from being put in the cell.

The only option left is to throw her in and shut the door.

Aww diddums, she banged her head on the way in
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A fellow officer deemed it wrong and the courts who have no doubt heard a lot more details than us have convicted the officer. I'm guessing they won't have seen an edited video.
 
Armchair coppers are rife within this thread to be honest.

He was heavy handed, yes, the rest you don't know about so can't make an informed judgement.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I think people are leaving reality here. Having a baton doesn't make it any easier to report someone you probably respected and may have helped you on numerous occasions, and heaven forbid actually be a friend to more senior management.
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exactly

(and better worded than i could manage :) )

The officers were even possibly thinking about what would happen if they reported him, and his senior officer brushed it under the carpet, leaving the person they reported still as custody sergeant, but now still as psycho as before, but now with an axe to grind against them for reporting him ...
 
DiamondMark said:
Get a grip of what? Do you not think more than one of those standing watching should have done something?
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I think that until she was thrown into the cell, which none of the other officers saw, there was nothing to intervene about. Secondly, I'm not entirely sure how you expect them to 'intervene'.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's not a trivial charge.



Err, sometimes you do depending on their attitude and cooperativeness. I have no issue with his actions in this part apart from the fact the removal to the cell should have been assisted by other officers for the suspect's safety.
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Are you a police officer out of interest?

Because i for the life of me cant imagine how you can justify that if you aint.
 
JBuk said:
what else was she doing?
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10:22:51 - Tries to pull away from the officer holding her.

10:44:30 - Obviously can't tell what's going on but if she was just stood there behaving herself would the Sergeant have jumped up from his desk without reason? Would another officer have appeared from the door next to her?

DiamondMark said:
But it dosent matter what happened before, what is missing, what is edited or what she did, she is nearly 60, a woman and in the police station for a trivial charge.
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What's her age and sex got to do with it? Should she be treated any differently to a 20 year old man? No.
 
Tefal said:
Same way you intervene with a pair of drunk mates before it escalates, get em away from each other under whatever pretence for a little while to cool off?
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Ok, I'll give you that one. But they could have done plenty of things with hindsight. I couldn't say that I'd have stepped in either when maybe I should have. They may not even know the custody officer particularly well and therefore not known if this was out of character or not.
 
Tefal said:
Well he was convicted before the story came out so i doubt it.
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Well, from the video he was heavy handed. I dont see why you would throw someone to the floor like that, although I still think it looked worse than it was.

Most people wouldn't have cut their head open, it depends on how you land. If she hadn't then he may not have been convicted?

In that regard he was unlucky, but the other police there should have just carried her into the cell so he didn't need to be so rough.

To be fair though, you don't do that to someone if the person is behaving properly, she must have been mouthing off and god knows what else (that we don't see?) to the police.

Doesn't give him an excuse but it sure makes the situation more understandable.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
What's her age and sex got to do with it? Should she be treated any differently to a 20 year old man? No.
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well blatently her physicall strength will be determined in part by her age and by her sex.

She isnt going to put up as much of a fight as a 20 stone amateur boxer high on drugs for example

thus she wont need as much force to be restrained.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Ok, I'll give you that one. But they could have done plenty of things with hindsight. I couldn't say that I'd have stepped in either when maybe I should have. They may not even know the custody officer particularly well and therefore not known if this was out of character or not.
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But you said yourself you found it wrong that he take her to the cell unassisted, surely then you'd have just gone with him so there's 2 of you that way you could make sure both of them are less likely to get hurt, and as you say it's what your trained to do.
 
Robboftw said:
Well, from the video he was heavy handed. I dont see why you would throw someone to the floor like that, although I still think it looked worse than it was.

Most people wouldn't have cut their head open, it depends on how you land. If she hadn't then he may not have been convicted?

In that regard he was unlucky, but the other police there should have just carried her into the cell so he didn't need to be so rough.

To be fair though, you don't do that to someone if the person is behaving properly, she must have been mouthing off and god knows what else (that we don't see?) to the police.

Doesn't give him an excuse but it sure makes the situation more understandable.
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Mouthing off should never be met with bodily harm and it in no way makes it more understandable.
 
Tefal said:
But you said yourself you found it wrong that he take her to the cell unassisted, surely then you'd have just gone with him so there's 2 of you that way you could make sure both of them are less likely to get hurt, and as you say it's what your trained to do.
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All I can say, is that I can understand why they didn't do anything. That doesn't mean it's right, but these situations aren't easy to deal with.
 
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