Supplements the debate/discussion thread

Morba said:
Like any supplement, that stuff might help a little but I'd say it was your routine and hopefully your increased kcal intake that has made the most impact.
Avgt is a great routine that is proven year after year remember :)
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I'm not dismissing the gains are from AGVT, I was just referring to the recovery part. I still eat around 3500+ calories a day, sleep 8+ hours, yet I get very serious soreness after less intense workouts now that I ran out.

Morba said:
Benny, I don't see the point really in trying it really. If you are gonna cross that ground then there are better ways to do it, as you will know :)
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The ideea is that you are NOT crossing any ground. It's not a prohormone or an oral steroid, nor does it cause any sort of damage or nasty side effect so I don't see what your point is in that regard.


At the end of the day it's just something that I used and tought I'd share some feedback, as I was extremely happy with the increased recovery, if you hardly ever get sore then there is no point in using it, although that obviously wasn't my case. Everyone is free to do whatever they want with their money. :)
 
I never said you were crossing the line as such, but you are tip toeing towards it as legally as you can. If you want really effective supplemental help then yo might as well do it properly and get a proper result from it.
 
ive had huge problems in the pre-workout blues department.

Jack3d is all the rage in america, it is however 2 times the cost here.

pulse on myprotein looks okay, can anyone give any good advice on this?

i hate the taste of coffee and i want to see if there is a cheaper alternative to Jack3d which is just as good otherwise i will just get that.

Bicep mentioned a product but its the same price as Jack3d and doesnt get as good reviews, so would rather go for Jack3d or pulse
 
Psycho Sonny said:
ive had huge problems in the pre-workout blues department.

Jack3d is all the rage in america, it is however 2 times the cost here.

pulse on myprotein looks okay, can anyone give any good advice on this?

i hate the taste of coffee and i want to see if there is a cheaper alternative to Jack3d which is just as good otherwise i will just get that.

Bicep mentioned a product but its the same price as Jack3d and doesnt get as good reviews, so would rather go for Jack3d or pulse
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Phd V-max pump is reasonably priced and on par with SP250 imo.

Alternatively buy some Taurine, Beta-Alanine, Citrulline Mallate, AAKG and mix it up with your own ratios and what works for you. It's what I do now after having tried a few preWO formulas. The 4 ingredients above are the 4 main ones they all contain and pritty much the only ones with high enough doses to actually do anything.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
ive had huge problems in the pre-workout blues department.

Jack3d is all the rage in america, it is however 2 times the cost here.

pulse on myprotein looks okay, can anyone give any good advice on this?

i hate the taste of coffee and i want to see if there is a cheaper alternative to Jack3d which is just as good otherwise i will just get that.

Bicep mentioned a product but its the same price as Jack3d and doesnt get as good reviews, so would rather go for Jack3d or pulse
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Depends on what you're goal is. If your after strength then id say sp250 or better no shotgun. I found better focus and pump with no shotgun, can't wait to stack it with sizeon.

Of if you're looking for a stim then yes jack3d is very good. But if you're tolerant to stims then try bpi 1mr, it's like jack3d only much stronger.
 
BennyC said:
Phd V-max pump is reasonably priced and on par with SP250 imo.

Alternatively buy some Taurine, Beta-Alanine, Citrulline Mallate, AAKG and mix it up with your own ratios and what works for you. It's what I do now after having tried a few preWO formulas. The 4 ingredients above are the 4 main ones they all contain and pritty much the only ones with high enough doses to actually do anything.
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Bet that tastes nice :p
BA and CM are funny things, the aakg though!! Still stinky stuff? (I'm sure it's aakg that wreaks!)
 
hux said:
Depends on what you're goal is. If your after strength then id say sp250 or better no shotgun. I found better focus and pump with no shotgun, can't wait to stack it with sizeon.

Of if you're looking for a stim then yes jack3d is very good. But if you're tolerant to stims then try bpi 1mr, it's like jack3d only much stronger.
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stronger than jack3d, i'd rather stay away tbh, i do need some sleep.

i ended up bulk ordering today from bodybuilding.com, it was a case of either paying up to 2 times for the same thing but buying regularly or buying in bulk once a year at half the price. i chose the longer term cheaper solution.

i'll post what i ordered in the morning.
 
Morba said:
Bet that tastes nice :p
BA and CM are funny things, the aakg though!! Still stinky stuff? (I'm sure it's aakg that wreaks!)
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The CM is a bit mining. The AAKG has a nice tang to it. BA you can't really taste though the crystals are a bit crunchy. Taurine same again can't taste.

Powdered pure cafeine though is absolutley disgusting on it's own. I don't think I can put it into words so I won't try!
 
heres what i ordered

(1) LG Sciences Anadraulic State GT, 720 Grams - Buy 2 Get 1 FREE!, Strawberry Lemonade Shipped From: PA
(3) LG Sciences Anadraulic State GT, 720 Grams, Strawberry Lemonade: Kit - LG092B Shipped From: PA
(1) USPlabs Jack3d, 3 Bottle Combo, 1 Of Each Flavor Shipped From: PA
(1) USPlabs Jack3d, 250 Grams, Lemon Lime: Kit - USP035 Shipped From: PA
(1) USPlabs Jack3d, 250 Grams, Tropical Fruit Punch: Kit - USP035 Shipped From: PA
(1) USPlabs Jack3d, 250 Grams, Grape Bubblegum: Kit - USP035 Shipped From: PA
(2) Nature''s Science Milk Thistle, 180 Capsules - Buy 1 Get 1 FREE! Shipped From: PA
(4) Nature's Science Milk Thistle, 180 Capsules: Kit - NS066 Shipped From: PA
(3) Optimum Opti-Men, 180 Tablets Shipped From: PA
(2) USPlabs Super Cissus RX, 120 Capsules Shipped From: PA
(1) Optimum Fish Oil, 200 Softgels Shipped From: PA
(1) NOW Super Omega 3-6-9, 180 Softgels Shipped From: PA
(1) NOW Cod Liver Oil - Double Strength, 250 Softgels Shipped From: PA
(1) Gaspari Nutrition SuperPump250, Free Sample! Shipped From: PA
(1) Controlled Labs Purple Wraath, 1 Serving Sample Shipped From: PA
(1) Controlled Labs White Flood, 1 Serving Sample (Powder) Shipped From: PA
(1) Controlled Labs Green MAGnitude, 1 Serving Sample Shipped From: PA
(1) Double-T Sports CreaDyl, Free Sample! Shipped From: PA
(1) BPI Sports 1.M.R Powder, Free Sample!, Fruit Punch Shipped From: PA
(1) FREE GIFT: Bodybuilding.com Tornado Mixer, 18 Fl Oz Shipped From: PA

cant remember the exact price, but it was under $400

the same stuff here would have cost over £370

reckon i saved myself about £100 once i pay customs.

State GT is what Bic3p recommended to me, but it didnt have as good reviews as jack3d, they had an offer on of buy 2 get 1 free so it was $50 for 3 bottles and Jack3d was $70 for 3 bottles, so i decided to just get both. $120 for 2 years supply of pre workout stimulant by top branded companies is a good deal i thought.

the rest of the stuff should last me a year, apart from the cissus (really expensive so i wanted to try out 2 packs before ordering more). Hopefully this will help fix my left knee (football injury - 2 years) and the lower part of my left tricep (old lifting injury - 5+ years).
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
ive had huge problems in the pre-workout blues department.

Jack3d is all the rage in america, it is however 2 times the cost here.

pulse on myprotein looks okay, can anyone give any good advice on this?

i hate the taste of coffee and i want to see if there is a cheaper alternative to Jack3d which is just as good otherwise i will just get that.

Bicep mentioned a product but its the same price as Jack3d and doesnt get as good reviews, so would rather go for Jack3d or pulse
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I got nothing from MP Pulse other than the BA tingles :)

I love Superpump250, Boditronics Red Mist, BSN N)-Xplode, Ultralife Extreme NOX and DY NOX.
 
stellar free delivery from bodybuildingwarehouse, ordered sunday night and came today. Will tell you how chocolate cookie tastes later today/tommorow :).
 
Im not taken with it, more choc than cookie, i have bbw toffee and i love it very mild and sits well on the stomach, i can certainly tell it's a high quality whey.

If you're after a very good choc cookie then matrix syntrax is one of the best, excellent profile and very few carbs. I'll be grabbing a bag once i need to.

Ah sonny that's some excellent supps there, im very curious about asgt let us know what you think won't you?

Im loving no shotgun atm, it's like a better version of superpump with added bcaa's and other bits, a good alternative to the sp250/sizeon stack but nowhere as expensive i might add.

I also see you had to grab a 1mr sample, that's going to be a fun workout :D


Just started taking cissus today, feels like im quite a responder to it, i felt less stiffness and pain today, looking forward to when it repairs the joints, my cod liver oil/glucosamine/msn combo doesn't cut it any more
 
just tried it and it tastes really good, pretty sweet but overall better than MP choc smooth. And seeing how its batch tested Im hopefully not glugging down carbs unlike that time with STC :p...
 
Yeah quite a few got stung there, i have myofusion which is questionable, but im bulking so doesn't matter.

I have a sample of bulk powders choc cookie as well, i have suspected bbw and bp use the same source, as their choc mint and cookies flavours are out of stock the same time, either way i'll give it a whirl tomorrow

I really wish i didn't buy mp milk protein smooth, it's well put it like this im not a fan of it, i think on casein in chocolate will be my next buy
 
hux said:
Im not taken with it, more choc than cookie, i have bbw toffee and i love it very mild and sits well on the stomach, i can certainly tell it's a high quality whey.

If you're after a very good choc cookie then matrix syntrax is one of the best, excellent profile and very few carbs. I'll be grabbing a bag once i need to.

Ah sonny that's some excellent supps there, im very curious about asgt let us know what you think won't you?

Im loving no shotgun atm, it's like a better version of superpump with added bcaa's and other bits, a good alternative to the sp250/sizeon stack but nowhere as expensive i might add.

I also see you had to grab a 1mr sample, that's going to be a fun workout :D


Just started taking cissus today, feels like im quite a responder to it, i felt less stiffness and pain today, looking forward to when it repairs the joints, my cod liver oil/glucosamine/msn combo doesn't cut it any more
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well i had to grab some samples to try them out.

i will report back on the stimulants, the other items wont be that noticable i dont think.

im hoping the cissus helps my permanent injuries out, so i will know by the end of the 2 boxes whether or not it was worth it. i font think you can notice its effects straight away, it takes time.
 
PsychoSonny thats an absolute ton of stuff lol, but in the long run you've saved yourself big bang for buck, I'd do the same if I had quite a bit of free funds...

ASGT, why do people compare this product to jacked? jacked is a pump product tbh. ASGT is a pre-workout product yes but it's not a pump product at all, if you want the pump as well order the anadraulic pump. I have all 3 asgt, anadraulic pump and postal. The asgt has a great combination in it of ingredient profile which you will see, but the product itself imo is great for endurance in the gym, keeps me going longer imo.

The anadrualic pump tastes a lot better, it's not a caffein product so no come down. I am stimulant tollerant anyway tbh. But anadraulic pump is a nice kick to the workout gets the blood into the muscle nicely.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
well i had to grab some samples to try them out.

i will report back on the stimulants, the other items wont be that noticable i dont think.

im hoping the cissus helps my permanent injuries out, so i will know by the end of the 2 boxes whether or not it was worth it. i font think you can notice its effects straight away, it takes time.
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Cissus is good if you get the GOOD stuff, theres a lot of CRAP out there. Got a few links of the high purity stuff.
 
Wilks said:
I got nothing from MP Pulse other than the BA tingles :)

I love Superpump250, Boditronics Red Mist, BSN N)-Xplode, Ultralife Extreme NOX and DY NOX.
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Alough I haven't tried pulse or red mist.

I rate the dorian yates nox VERY highly, amazing stuff that came out before but then they changed the forumula so not sure what ones what? But awesome stuff.

No xplode isn't my cup of tea tbh.

Superpump I never really tried I took 3 scoops of a mates one about 11pm before going to club lol to see if it would do anything but it just gave me the worst gas.
 
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