vectra vxr

JasonM said:
Totally agree with this. I own a Integra that shares the same seat frames as some EVO's. People say the Integra is a bone shaker, and poor for long distances but it's simply not correct. I recently drove a 7 hour round trip taking my gf from Manchester to London airport with no back pain, and only very slight stiffness after standing up (you get that sitting on a chair in your house for 3 hours!). This is even with after-market lowered seat rail, i'm 37 btw.
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Indeed, infact since this revelation that really its seat frame that makes the difference several leading executive car services have cancelled leases on expensive S and E Class Mercedes and are moving to Honda Civic FD2's instead and Audi is said to be considering the future of the A8, given an A2 with the correct seat frame offers identical long distance ability.

Alternatively it could be all about relativity, do the same trip in a Vectra VXR (It hurts me to praise this car it really does) and you'll notice a difference.
 
snowdog said:
What if you'd want to cruise the autobahn continuously at high speeds ?
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Indeed, good point. What if, also you wish to use your car to escape from armed barons on a regular basis through small shopping centres, FWD is handy there as well, as there it's more forgiving.

A situation about as relevent, I feel.
 
burns said:
Would you rather that your FWD hatch had less power then? I'm not arguing that FWD is better than RWD or something. But given car A with 150BHP or Car A with 300BHP I think I would always go for 300BHP. What I was taking issue with was the implication that the Vectra would be better with less power.
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Around 200BHP is the limit of usable and drivable without the need for electronic interference and power-cut to the wheels.
 
I'd be happy with more powerful then 200 if handling wasn't one of the points or expectations of the car. My old car had 210 and it never caused a problem, but then it also felt like the steering wheel was a game controller so it didn't matter too much. If I had bought a 330i and someone had converted it to fwd, I might be a bit miffed though
 
Around 200BHP is the limit of usable and drivable without the need for electronic interference and power-cut to the wheels.
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I'd go slighly further. 200~ bhp, Normally aspirated.
 
iaind said:
Ok, some of it. Haven't driven a manual 95 HOT but I have driven a manual and auto 93 aero in fairly quick succession and it was definitely worse on the manual!
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Yeah because when you accelerate on the motorway you're not chucking the gearbox into 3rd with all your might :D
 
Howard said:
Yeah because when you accelerate on the motorway you're not chucking the gearbox into 3rd with all your might :D
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Who says? :D

Was more the low gears where it was noticeable on the 93, but that might just be different gearing

I can only assume the manual 95 is so bad that it does a complete 360 pirouette every time you put your foot down
 
spaz said:
My car seems to cope just fine with 230bhp, fwd is the best drivetrain, fact.
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Ditto. Got roughly 230bhp going through my FR, and it's sweet as a nut. I wouldn't want much more in a FWD though, it has to be said. Next car will likely be in three years, so probably an estate or something with no soul, but this will give me an excuse to buy a classic GT6 :cool:
 
iaind said:
I can only assume the manual 95 is so bad that it does a complete 360 pirouette every time you put your foot down
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I haven't driven a VXR anything ( I did have a new 2.6 GSI years ago :o) but as the thread has so many lanes going atm, I think I can still contribute.

I had a mildly tuned manual 95 Aero with 240+bhp and it was great for driving distance, with little noticeable torque steer. I think the weight of the car, the steering and the way the power was delievered smoothed it out.

In a straight line it was like a rocket, but I did feel at the time it would have been a much better car with rwd.

It actually replaced my Evo 8 and the comfort of the SAAB (lovely armchair like seats) showed that although I suffered no pain driving the Evo to my parent's (40 mile trip, mix of dual carriageway and B roads), the experience was far more relaxed and comfortable in the SAAB.

It wasn't that the Evo is uncomfortable (it has great seats which keep your posture completely upright), but the driving experience was tiring. It was fine if I wanted to drive (try) like Plato the whole 40miles, but if I wanted a nice relaxed cruise, it was awful. I wouldn't arrive feeling particularly refreshed. In the SAAB I was so relaxed I was almost asleep.

The Evo is a great car, it just didn't suit my driving. The SAAB was v.good too, but the soft handling and fwd didn't give it the sporty handling I prefered. On that note however I think I have now managed to find the best of both worlds :D
 
[TW]Fox;17602373 said:
Indeed, infact since this revelation that really its seat frame that makes the difference several leading executive car services have cancelled leases on expensive S and E Class Mercedes and are moving to Honda Civic FD2's instead and Audi is said to be considering the future of the A8, given an A2 with the correct seat frame offers identical long distance ability.

Alternatively it could be all about relativity, do the same trip in a Vectra VXR (It hurts me to praise this car it really does) and you'll notice a difference.
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Ok see where your coming from but the Recaro seats in the Integra are very well praised in this department.

Comfortable driving is more about ride comfort. For the driver it's a car that's ergonomically easy to operate, steering wheel correctly aligned, seat position correct, visibility good so your not straining around A pilers at junctions, good lights for night driving so your brain is working less to process the road etc etc. The Integra is a very driver friendly car, and I have no problems spending many hours behind it's wheel.
 
He knows all about good chassis's yet ignores one that is better than the two cars he states. I was wondering what his reasons for this were, that's all:confused:
 
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