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Hacking is programming.

It really, really isn't. "Hacking" is not a synonym of "Programming". Hackers are people who are driven by curiosity; either curiosity to create interesting intellectual things or curiosity to understand how existing creations work. That a lot of this sort of activity takes place in the purely-mathematically-and-logically-derived world of computer programming is down to those core facets of the art.

The original 2600 phone phreakers such as Cap'n Crunch were hackers. The Wright Brothers were hackers. The engineers behind the moon landing were hackers.

It's about the thirst for knowledge. It's not about some blingwad sitting in his bedroom copying a "Hello World" PHP script out of a Wrox or ~For Dummies book. Hardly any programmers are hackers in any true sense of the word.

Here's a story about one.
 
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I agree, the less socialist lefties the better.

He isn't a socialist lefty. The idea of socialism is to have a bigger state, assange wants a smaller state, more individual power almost the opposite of socialism.
You are using "socialist left" as term, for someone different than you.

That's not say he isn't left wing, just defiantly not socialist.

There are so many different ideas in politics, you can't place those idea's into just two terms such as left-wing and right-wing. Libertarianism, which assange defiantly is can be both right wing, and left-wing.

Ron Paul is right wing, and a libertarian for example.
 
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you knew it was coming

ROFL. :D

My wife just done this :rolleyes: when I showed her and said "I can sympathize".

I can't imagine why!;)
 
It really, really isn't. "Hacking" is not a synonym of "Programming". Hackers are people who are driven by curiosity; either curiosity to create interesting intellectual things or curiosity to understand how existing creations work. That a lot of this sort of activity takes place in the purely-mathematically-and-logically-derived world of computer programming is down to those core facets of the art.

The original 2600 phone phreakers such as Cap'n Crunch were hackers. The Wright Brothers were hackers. The engineers behind the moon landing were hackers.

It's about the thirst for knowledge. It's not about some blingwad sitting in his bedroom copying a "Hello World" PHP script out of a Wrox or ~For Dummies book. Hardly any programmers are hackers in any true sense of the word.

Here's a story about one.

Well aware of all this, but we were talking about computers...

I'm well aware of the notion of soft- and hard- hacks.
 
I am making no assumptions about the Swedish Judicial system or the innonce or guilt of Assange.

The original claim was considered unfounded on the 21st August:



Are we really to believe that the new claims are completely coincidental?

From what I have read however the original claims should have been investigated, including the interview of Julian Assange as per Swedish Law and they were not, thus the reopening of the investigation.

The Prosecutor responsible is under investigation as to why the original claim was not sufficiently investigated. The strange thing about this case is not the reopening of the investigation, but why it was not investigated to begin with.

Anyway, it smacks of hypocrisy when the doyen of the anti-secrecy lobby refused to submit himself to questioning over what are serious allegations. If they are fallacious as he claims and the Swedish Judiciary is not corrupt (and we have no evidence to the contrary) then he should have no qualms about submitting to questioning about these claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11949341
 
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Anyway, it smacks of hypocrisy when the doyen of the anti-secrecy lobby refused to submit himself to questioning over what are serious allegations. If they are fallacious as he claims and the Swedish Judiciary is not corrupt (and we have no evidence to the contrary) then he should have no qualms about submitting to questioning about these claims.

From that link:

Mr Assange's British lawyer Mark Stephens says his client offered to be interviewed at the Swedish embassy in London or Scotland Yard or via video link.

What he didn't do immediately was rush back to Sweden for 'interviewing'. I can understand that, considering he'd already been questioned by police and the case had been dismissed...

It's not as if he evaded police in the UK or anywhere else, actively. As soon as the UK police were actually intent on seeing him, he turned up.

Why would you go back to a country for a second 'interview' after they'd suddenly re-opened an investigation that you'd previously met with them to discuss, and they'd then refused you residency ?
 
He isn't a socialist lefty. The idea of socialism is to have a bigger state, assange wants a smaller state, more individual power almost the opposite of socialism.
You are using "socialist left" as term, for someone different than you.

That's not say he isn't left wing, just defiantly not socialist.

There are so many different ideas in politics, you can't place those idea's into just two terms such as left-wing and right-wing. Libertarianism, which assange defiantly is can be both right wing, and left-wing.

Ron Paul is right wing, and a libertarian for example.

No, the idea of Socialism is to have no state...

Also, i heard something today about him having a sort of emergency lifeline, where if he was ever in prison for a certain length of time or his life was in danger or something else had happened to him then a 'super' leak that has the potential to wreak total havoc would automatically be released. Anybody heard anything about this, or is it just rumors?
 
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From that link:



What he didn't do immediately was rush back to Sweden for 'interviewing'. I can understand that, considering he'd already been questioned by police and the case had been dismissed...

It's not as if he evaded police in the UK or anywhere else, actively. As soon as the UK police were actually intent on seeing him, he turned up.

Why would you go back to a country for a second 'interview' after they'd suddenly re-opened an investigation that you'd previously met with them to discuss, and they'd then refused you residency ?

He would return because it's the right thing to do, for a man whose reputation is supposedly based on Doing the Right Thing I would have thought that was a no-brainer.BTW The case wasn't dismissed, the case hasn't been heard yet. A prosecutor made a decision that her Boss decided was wrong, as has been said many times by the Swedish Authorities, this is not that unusual, not an everyday occurrence, but not unusual all the same.

It is interesting that the investigation was reopened immediately following the interview Mr Assange had with the Stockholm Police and Assange subsequently leaves Sweden and is unavailable for further interviews. Now the Swedish District Court approves the request to DETAIN Mr Assange for further questioning, this is no different from similar accusations in this country. If someone is accused of multiple rape then the Police do not calmly interview the suspect via Video-link or sat in the local Pub. The suspect is arrested and detained and questioned whilst under caution.

His Lawyer is simply giving hyperbole to cover the fact that Mr Assange doesn't wish to answer the charges made against him in a situation where he could be arrested.


Tell you what, when the next alleged Rapist in this country says I'll talk to the Police via videolink see what reaction that gets.:rolleyes:

Personally I couldn't care what Assange does or doesn't do, most of the leak material is nothing more than gossip and some of the stuff he released in the past like the Iraq Helicopter footage, Kenyan leader Daniel Moi expose, Scientology expose, and several others are all things that should be in the public domain, but recently he has become obsessed with releasing every detail of US foreign policy regardless of it's impact or relevance.

He is almost a parody of himself.
 
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My EU-law specialist lawyer friend sat here disagrees. She's drunk, could be wrong.

EU warrants still need prima facie, US ones do not

EDIT: I think at least, unless our gov really has just sold out :(
 
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Screw the citation!

We need pics!! :D
You don't. :eek:

You don't. :eek:
They just need the evidence (all of it). Whether it's enough to prosecute is up to the Swedish judicial system, surely.

Apparently you're right, in a way, anyway as I "phrased the question incorrectly". Apparently. Whatever.
 
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No, the idea of Socialism is to have no state...

Also, i heard something today about him having a sort of emergency lifeline, where if he was ever in prison for a certain length of time or his life was in danger or something else had happened to him then a 'super' leak that has the potential to wreak total havoc would automatically be released. Anybody heard anything about this, or is it just rumors?

No state would be Anarchism.

Socialism is common ownership, often through nationalizing everything. Who do you think organizes all this common ownership? faeries?

It's the state, and often involves economic planning. Socialism is nice idea, until you realize practically no government is competent enough to actually to do it well or without becoming corrupt with that much power.
 
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They just need the evidence (all of it). Whether it's enough to prosecute is up to the Swedish judicial system, surely.

Apparently you're right, in a way, anyway as I "phrased the question incorrectly". Apparently. Whatever.

The UK needs to know that this is not just lets extradite someone for the hell of it thing, but rather that there is an actual case to answer and that there is actually some evidence to suggest that there is an actual case to answer.
 
Tell you what, when the next alleged Rapist in this country says I'll talk to the Police via videolink see what reaction that gets.:rolleyes:

Tell you what when the next alleged rapist in this country gets treated this seriously and investigated I'll be ******* shocked.
 
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