'Cap' on immigration is no longer in place

[Dolph]

You either went for retraing or you would be sent to clean up canals and such like or dole stopped.
There was lots of retraing courses all free but no doctor ones.
The problem was that the people sent to clean up the UK done it in 2 years so they had no work either.
I retrained as a Horizontal miller, but then they invented the CNC

Maggie even paid people to move to other parts of the UK and find them housing if they got a job there.

And no I don't like maggie the Hun.

Why is it the state's responsibility to ensure you learn useful skills and apply them?

Why, given our plummeting in the OECD rankings over the last 15 years, do people keep on insisting that we have a well educated, intelligent workforce?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Utter rubbish and you know it.

It's not utter rubbish at all.

Government/business do not want to spend the money training people a generation ago we had a superb apprenticeship scheme that was scrapped to save money.

Why should business pay money to train people if they can get trained staff elsewhere? Tell me what possible business sense it makes to hire an unskilled worker and invest considerable time and money into training them up when you have a ready supply of already skilled workers?

Universities would rather have foreign students as they can charge them more money.

Irrelevent - the places are still there for non foreign students. And although they charge foreign students more money than UK students, the government doesnt pay them for foreign students yet it does for UK students.

 

[deuse]

Why is it the state's responsibility to ensure you learn useful skills and apply them?

Who said it was?
I was saying what maggie the Hun did.

Why, given our plummeting in the OECD rankings over the last 15 years, do people keep on insisting that we have a well educated, intelligent workforce?

Never worked in another country I see.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Who said it was?
I was saying what maggie the Hun did.

Are you telling us that Maggie forced people to train for a certain job, giving them no choice in the matter and with no regard for their suitability?

 

[Morlock]

Maggie even paid people to move to other parts of the UK and find them housing if they got a job there.

She did? Which policy was that?

 

[LabR@t]

It's not utter rubbish at all.



Why should business pay money to train people if they can get trained staff elsewhere? Tell me what possible business sense it makes to hire an unskilled worker and invest considerable time and money into training them up when you have a ready supply of already skilled workers?



Irrelevent - the places are still there for non foreign students. And although they charge foreign students more money than UK students, the government doesnt pay them for foreign students yet it does for UK students.

How is it irrelevant? You just confirmed they pay more than UK students and the goverment doesn't pay for foreign so its a win/win for government and Uni's and a net loss for UK students.


Go read up on the old apprenticeship schemes we had in this country shipbuilding/construction etc we were world leaders at the expense of UK citizens they had the training taken away.

As I have pointed out if the ability to train and earn a higher wage those people have less money to spend in the economy so really it is as normal a shortsighted way of running a society/country but what do you expect when shareholders dividends and bankers bonuses seem to take priority over all else.

 

[deuse]

Are you telling us that Maggie forced people to train for a certain job, giving them no choice in the matter and with no regard for their suitability?

Already posted about that.

She did? Which policy was that?

It was not a policy. They done it to try to get the work force to move where there was jobs.
But it did not work and was stopped after about 8 months.

 

[Morlock]

It was not a policy. They done it to try to get the work force to move where there was jobs.
But it did not work and was stopped after about 8 months.

I agree, it wasn't a policy, it is a figment of your imagination.

 

[XPE]

What about unskilled workers ?

 

[craptakular]

2.4 million doctors out of work?

Or 2.4 million low skilled workers?

Neither is true now is.

 

[[TW]Fox]

How is it irrelevant? You just confirmed they pay more than UK students and the goverment doesn't pay for foreign so its a win/win for government and Uni's and a net loss for UK students.

Because the Government tops up the amount of money the student pays!

How many UK students cannot go to Uni because foreign students have taken the places they would have? How about hardly any?

Go read up on the old apprenticeship schemes we had in this country shipbuilding/construction etc we were world leaders at the expense of UK citizens they had the training taken away.

We stopped being world leaders because we began to cost too much.

As I have pointed out if the ability to train and earn a higher wage those people have less money to spend in the economy so really it is as normal a shortsighted way of running a society/country but what do you expect when shareholders dividends and bankers bonuses seem to take priority over all else.

It doesnt work like that - if I run a business and I decide to take on 2 unskilled workers and train them up for 2 years at a cost of £50k per worker whilst payin them a £20k PA training salary I have spent £140k training two people up. Doing this is not going to increase my profit by £140k is it? Instead I could take 2 employees who are ALREADY TRAINED and can begin work IMMEDIATLY.

Why would I do anything else?

Besides, those two skilled workers who move here from, say, Canada, will then be able to buy stuff in this country anyway! It is true that 2 unskilled British people have less money to spend, but the two skilled Canadians are now here to spend the money instead.

Your arguments are hilarious and nonsensical and demonstrate a gross lack of understanding.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Never heard of maggie thatcher? she did it. Yep you HAD to do things in her day.

Who said it was?
I was saying what maggie the Hun did.

So you've said what Mrs Thatcher did...

It was not a policy. They done it to try to get the work force to move where there was jobs.
But it did not work and was stopped after about 8 months.

And then told us it didn't work. Unless you're trying to show what failed experiments are and what we shouldn't be doing I'm not sure where you were going with that point.

 

[deuse]

Snip

NO..if you read Fox kept asking the same things.
Other people asked me so I told them...simples really dude

 

[[TW]Fox]

You never really answered my question.

I think its quite clear your opinions are not really based on anything sensible.

 

[deuse]

You never really answered my question.

I think its quite clear your opinions are not really based on anything sensible.

Yes I did. I can't help it if you can't understand
I am allowed my opinion unlike the poor prople in the car section here
Vauxhall rules

 

[Dolph]

Yes I did. I can't help it if you can't understand
I am allowed my opinion unlike the poor prople in the car section here
Vauxhall rules

It isn't that we can't understand, it's that your opinion makes no sense when compared with reality, and can only be reached via irrationality.

 

[FoxEye]

2.4 million doctors out of work?

Or 2.4 million low skilled workers?

Are you confusing skilled migration with cheap EU labour?

Sorry I skipped a couple of pages but...

How have we arrived at a situation where we're 2.4 million doctors/skilled workers short of what we need? A few thousand, sure, but being that many short would suggest there is a big problem in training and recruitment in this country.

They tell us that the number of graduates in this country rises year on year, so where are all the skilled people going? Abroad?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Sorry I skipped a couple of pages but...

How have we arrived at a situation where we're 2.4 million doctors/skilled workers short of what we need?

We're not. It was just a very basic way of putting the point across when somebody said why do we need skilled migration when so many people are unemployed.

The reason we need skilled migration is because the unemployed people are not qualified in the skills we have a shortage of.

 

[Patient Keeper]

We're not. It was just a very basic way of putting the point across when somebody said why do we need skilled migration when so many people are unemployed.

The reason we need skilled migration is because the unemployed people are not qualified in the skills we have a shortage of.

Or because they work in finance rather than a real job

 

[Dolph]

Or because they work in finance rather than a real job

Finance is a real job...

Just because they don't bash metal doesn't make it a 'fake' job...