330d vs 335d

Dunno. Depends what the 330i does.

Don't care about around town mileage but when I do a long trip, I like it to be the right side of 30. Just keeps me happy and makes me feel less like I'm wasting cash on a thirsty car sitting on the Motorway.

I'd never buy a 320d instead but if I can get 30% more out of a 330i which is 90% the car then its a more sensible better. But if it'll happily sit at the speed limit at 35 that'll do nicely, thanks.
 
[TW]Fox;18029919 said:
Dunno. Depends what the 330i does.

Don't care about around town mileage but when I do a long trip, I like it to be the right side of 30. Just keeps me happy and makes me feel less like I'm wasting cash on a thirsty car sitting on the Motorway.

I'd never buy a 320d instead but if I can get 30% more out of a 330i which is 90% the car then its a more sensible better. But if it'll happily sit at the speed limit at 35 that'll do nicely, thanks.
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Now i never had you pegged for a tight wad, super sensible yes, analyst yes, tight wad no :)
 
DiamondMark said:
Yea some nutters even like diesels because of that.
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It's more the way the torque/power delivers forward motion. I like accelleration that feels like I was shot out of a cannon. 280bhp and 400+ lb/ft of torque will do that.

One of the all-time great engines. Diesel or otherwise.
 
WJA96 said:
It's more the way the torque/power delivers forward motion. I like accelleration that feels like I was shot out of a cannon. 280bhp and 400+ lb/ft of torque will do that.

One of the all-time great engines. Diesel or otherwise.
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The noise, thats why id never have one dosent matter how good it is, there will always be a petrol as good without that noise.
 
WJA96 said:
It's more the way the torque/power delivers forward motion. I like accelleration that feels like I was shot out of a cannon. 280bhp and 400+ lb/ft of torque will do that.
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I'll take you for a drive in my cannon and you'll soon realise what a pea shooter you have. ;)
 
DiamondMark said:
Now i never had you pegged for a tight wad, super sensible yes, analyst yes, tight wad no :)
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I'm not a tight wad - my mpg display is showing 19.4 at the moment - but it doesn't mean I want to waste money un-neccesarily. I enjoy the ability to jump into the car and do a long trip without giving a stuff how much it costs - and the lower your fuel economy on a longer run the more of an issue this is. I'm doing 1000 miles week after next, thats not an issue at 35mpg but it starts to get a bit of a mickey-take at 25mpg.

Plus once you begin to accept 25mpg on a run then why buy a 335i? A V8 would do that..

Now if 25mpg is what you get when you buy a 270+bhp plus BMW then sure, I'll take that - but it isn't, there are more efficient ways of getting a similar experience.
 
WJA96 said:
It's more the way the torque/power delivers forward motion. I like accelleration that feels like I was shot out of a cannon. 280bhp and 400+ lb/ft of torque will do that.
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To be fair, 306bhp and 300lb/ft @ 1400rpm has much the same effect.

Remember, it's the torque that reaches the road thats important, not the torque at the flywheel. The torque at the flywheel merely gives you more of a clue as to how it delivers that torque to the road, rather than how quickly a car will actually accelerate.
 
[TW]Fox;18029983 said:
I'm not a tight wad - my mpg display is showing 19.4 at the moment - but it doesn't mean I want to waste money un-neccesarily. I enjoy the ability to jump into the car and do a long trip without giving a stuff how much it costs - and the lower your fuel economy on a longer run the more of an issue this is. I'm doing 1000 miles week after next, thats not an issue at 35mpg but it starts to get a bit of a mickey-take at 25mpg.

Plus once you begin to accept 25mpg on a run then why buy a 335i? A V8 would do that..

Now if 25mpg is what you get when you buy a 270+bhp plus BMW then sure, I'll take that - but it isn't, there are more efficient ways of getting a similar experience.
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How much is 10mpg over a 1000 miles in money then, my maths isnt great at the moment due to this very fine bottle of brandy im doing battle with :)
 
DiamondMark said:
How much is 10mpg over a 1000 miles in money then, my maths isnt great at the moment due to this very fine bottle of brandy im doing battle with :)
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About £70.

My theory is that as I dont do enough miles commuting to make any difference - if I just commuted in my car I'd do only 200 miles a month - I don't care what my day to day economy is as long as I can slot in 6th and waft up the Motorway at an acceptable consumption rate. Because it's when you pile on the miles on a trip that the mpg makes a difference, not doing 5 miles here and 5 miles there around town.
 
[TW]Fox;18030018 said:
About £70.
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Hmmmm i could get another bottle of this for that :) I admit defeat again, i'l let you off tonight you seem to have won :)
 
[TW]Fox;18030003 said:
To be fair, 306bhp and 300lb/ft @ 1400rpm has much the same effect.

Remember, it's the torque that reaches the road thats important, not the torque at the flywheel. The torque at the flywheel merely gives you more of a clue as to how it delivers that torque to the road, rather than how quickly a car will actually accelerate.
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I don't disagree. You can't really have one without the other. Most diesels give you a shove from 1800-3000rpm, but the 335d shoves to 3000rpm then shoves harder to 5000rpm.

BTW - what delivers 306bhp and 300lb/ft at 1400rpm? That's awesome, whatever it is.
 
WJA96 said:
I don't disagree. You can't really have one without the other. Most diesels give you a shove from 1800-3000rpm, but the 335d shoves to 3000rpm then shoves harder to 5000rpm.

BTW - what delivers 306bhp and 300lb/ft at 1400rpm? That's awesome, whatever it is.
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The 335i - 3 litre straight six twin turbo petrol :)

Doesnt really tail off till 6500rpm as well..

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But you'd forgive this twin-turbo, direct-injected 3.0-liter six almost anything and not just because of its impressive ratings of 300 hp at 5,800 rpm and 300 lb-ft of torque at an incredibly modest 1,400 rpm. Rather, it's that numerical potency combined with the engine's extreme tractability. This turbo inline-6 is smoother than the G37's V6. And as free-revving as the Nissan VQ V6 is, this twin-turbo six likes to rev even more.

As with all Bimmer gearboxes, this one feels slightly glutinous as you move the lever through the gates. Compared to the G's shift action, though, the BMW has a lighter-effort feel and it snaps positively into gear. The 335i's clutch engagement is also smoother and more predictable than that of the G37.

These impressions were borne out at the test track, where the 335i was not only four-tenths of a second quicker to the quarter-mile mark with a 13.4-second run but also moving at a significantly faster clip of 104.3 mph. Meanwhile, 60 mph came up in just 4.8 seconds.
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Sod that what you need is 550 bhp then you can really be harry big ****** :D
 
Housey said:
I'll take you for a drive in my cannon and you'll soon realise what a pea shooter you have. ;)
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I've got datalogger read-outs showing my tweaked 2.0TDI doing 0-100 in 13.6 seconds. Maybe not a cannon, but more of a magnum than a peashooter.:)

And I'd love to take you up on your offer, you can have a ride in mine too. Hopefully you'll be surprised. I doubt you'd be impressed, but I'll acceopt surprised! What are you running these days?
 
To be honest I'd be impressed with your 2.0 TDI doing 0-100 in 13.6 seconds. That is seriously quick - you know how sceptical I was of your claims until you explained them to me.

I still think it's a hugely pointless endavouer because you are still left with the compromises of a 4 cylinder diesel - but that aside I have to respect that level of performance from that engine :)
 
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