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ati 10.12 killed my system.

el Kuarlos said:
I see your point dude, and that is fair enough- I am in no position to say you are wrong.

1)I ve been dissapointed by each release after 10.5 and to be honest, either i havent noticed or looked or there just arent, nvidia threads saying the same thing the amd driver threads do.

2)Good drivers should work and account for picnic errors. I find it a bit strange some people making out they are 'super users' (not yourself) mock people with less experience who do things that arent totally unreasonable and end up with borked systems using standard drivers.
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1)between 10.5-10.9 the drivers have been less than satisfactory for many but that does not change that fact that people are more happy with the drivers now but if your expecting a driver to come out that no user has problems with then don't hold breath.

2) To many times its users with history of using a driver cleaner of sorts that end up with a total borked system.

I have used a driver cleaner twice & both times it boarked my system which either resulted in some revisions of ATI drivers installing or none at all & needing a reinstall of the OS to put totally right even though i didn't need to use the driver cleaner in the first place i just wanted to test the theory.
 
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el Kuarlos said:
I disagree with you but my facts are based on teh interweb and we all know how that goes!

I think that amd sold a lot more over the end and start of this year but the 460 brought it back, either way my point is that you just do not see nvidia threads complaining about drivers like amd users do.

Whether that is due to volume of users or quality of drivers- neither of us can really say.
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Sorry but the 460 have not brought it back at all because they could not sell enough to make up for the deficit of the past year & more.

ATI/AMD have been steamrollering since the 4xxx.

Its the percentage of users of a given brand with problems that counts & not the actual number of users with problems on each side.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/ati-overtakes-nvidia-in-discrete-gpu-shipments/

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=at...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
 
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el Kuarlos said:
I disagree with you but my facts are based on teh interweb and we all know how that goes!

I think that amd sold a lot more over the end and start of this year but the 460 brought it back, either way my point is that you just do not see nvidia threads complaining about drivers like amd users do.

Whether that is due to volume of users or quality of drivers- neither of us can really say.
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Most of the problems is kept to the NV driver threads themselves & seeing as NV don't have a regular pattern for driver release you will see less threads with new driver problems.
 
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A lot of your points, just aren't points unfortunately. AMD fixed scaling therefore it was broken before? So why does the 460gtx's scale better than the 480/470, which scale better than the 280gtx, etc, etc.

AS for users, the biggest reason for an increase in number of threads for AMD drivers, is people SWITCHING from Nvidia to AMD. Long term AMD users don't have trouble, long term Nvidia people don't have trouble, new Nvidia users have trouble, new AMD users have trouble, the difference being of all the people switching in the past 24 months the VAST majority have been switching to AMD.

I (with very brief usage) can't get my parents Nvidia gpu laptop to work flawlessly when connected to the tv, it randomly chooses to say its outputting 1920x1080, but half the windows bar and another cm at the top is missing. It takes a while to get it working and it drops out, I don't say they are bad drivers(it might be a bad set, I don't know) I'm just completely unfamiliar with the drivers these days.

99.9% of driver errors are user errors, I was overclocking to x Ghz on my system and it worked fine with my 8800gtx, but now my 5970 is completely unstable, yeah, its also using a crap load more power and people running on the borderline limit of stability get pushed just over the edge.

Of the DX11 market of gpu's sold, I can't even remember, did one of those links say, it was something like 90% of DX11 gpu's sold were AMD gpu's, and that should give you a hint of how badly mostly high end sales are going.

As for so many hotfixes, again a poor excuse.

Whats better, releasing a WHQL driver every month and hotfixing it as and when required for people who have various weird issues, or doing an Nvidia, releasing no official driver, and with new games release 10 beta drivers, but thats ok because they didn't make an official one? Same situation, different name, and yes, Nvidia owners do complain about their drivers. Problem is the not even that impressive 6950/6970 have already massively outsold the 580/570gtx, and they've only been shipping for a few days, its the guys who run 5770's and up who insist on updating to every single driver. Of the "gamers" market, who upgrade monthly(ignoring the fact that not a single fix or increase relates to them, everyone thinks it might be some miracle driver) are predominately AMD users right now.

Theres also of course, more official drivers to update too.
 
I have always installed over the top of drivers, no problems here. Also I would personally say 10.12 are the best drivers for a while. (since 10.4 at least) for my 4870x2.

I always use profiles to underclock in 2d and in 3d set a fixed fanspeed with fixed clocks. No problems at all so I cannot comment on variable fan issues.
 
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