Why do people call me racist?

[steve-h]

I see my remark was lost on you.

Clearly

 

[Patient Keeper]

Oh yeah OP, here's a few things to mull around in the old noggin:

The Romans invaded this country about 2000 years ago. They mixed/diluted/contaminated (delete as appropriate) this country's population and genes.

This country was invaded by the saxons around 1500 years ago, again mixing in and settling with the population of this country.

Then, around 1000 years ago, the vikings invaded, again mixing and humping this country's population.

Let's not forget how the British empire went around to 30% of the world and started raping people and spreading its seed!

What do you think about multiculturalism now? For hundreds, if not thousands of years, this island has been one of the most multicultural places in the world!!

No it hasn't.

You are talking about European invasion, not immigration from the other side of the world.

But its odd that you liken immigration today to actually getting invaded in the past. Did we just lie down and welcome our invaders in then?

And then again, its not like when you get invaded the oppressors are tolerant and accepting of anything other than their own culture.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I have no problem with allowing intelligent people in to the country that are going to be productive. But not too many and they should not be allowed to get the same benefits as people born in the uk.

I would say you are not racist but a cultural bigot. You like to keep the country exactly the same and don't like people that are not the same as you. I have no problem with people as long as they speak my language. I don't see why we should allow people in to the country that don't speak english.

A better question is why is every ******* corner shop run by an indian or similar ?

I have been in london for about 3 years now or maybe 4 and i have not seen one newsagent owned and ran by a white british person. maybe outside london it is more common,

Would you prefer they were run by one of your South African brethren?

 

[Jono8]

I can't remember where i read it/heard it from but i remember that there is a theory that states that if the world did become one big monoculture and had no differences in race,skin colour,beliefs e.t.c. then, as a species, we would stagnate and die out.

 

[TheCenturion]

No it hasn't.

You are talking about European invasion, not immigration from the other side of the world.

But its odd that you liken immigration today to actually getting invaded in the past. Did we just lie down and welcome our invaders in then?

But that's not the point at all is it?

The point is that if that multiculturalism hadn't worked, then over the last few hundred years this country wouldn't have become the power house of the world and wouldn't be one of the riches in the world today (although it's getting poorer )

Thus it simply proves that your idea that multiculturalism doesn't work is just a whole load of crap

 

[dowie]

You are talking about European invasion, not immigration from the other side of the world.

But still - different languages, different religions, different cultures etc...

I guess the only extra difference these days is skin colour no?

Oh and today's immigrants are a lot more peaceful in comparison - not raping women or pillaging villages on the scale of the vikings. Not conquering like the Romans, or Angles or Saxons or Scots/Celts etc.....

 

[mjt]

A better question is why is every ******* corner shop run by an indian or similar ?

I have been in london for about 3 years now or maybe 4 and i have not seen one newsagent owned and run* by a white british person. maybe outside london it is more common,

The one on Pratt St NW1, opposite the Turkish supermarket was run by a little old [white] lady when I lived there.
I fail to see what difference the colour of a shopkeeper's skin makes though. How does it affect your shopping experience?

 

[badcompany]

Oh yeah OP, here's a few things to mull around in the old noggin:

The Romans invaded this country about 2000 years ago. They mixed/diluted/contaminated (delete as appropriate) this country's population and genes.

This country was invaded by the saxons around 1500 years ago, again mixing in and settling with the population of this country.

Then, around 1000 years ago, the vikings invaded, again mixing and humping this country's population.

Let's not forget how the British empire went around to 30% of the world and started raping people and spreading its seed!

What do you think about multiculturalism now? For hundreds, if not thousands of years, this island has been one of the most multicultural places in the world!!

its a bit different as now there is nearly 69 million people crammed on this little island its a lot easier for immigration in the past

Gaelic document ‘Senchus fer n’Alba’ (an account of the men

of Scotland). Attributed to the 7th century, it listed the

numbers of men available for naval service and paying taxes.4

Better known is the Domesday Book of 1086, which surveyed

land and resources in England. From this source, England’s

population in 1086 is estimated to have been between 1.4 and

1.9 million.

It is believed that the

population grew quickly in the 12th and 13th centuries and

reached between four and six million by the end of the 13th

century.6 However, the 14th century was a period where

disease and the struggle to produce an adequate food supply

prevented further population growth. A sustained agricultural

crisis from 1315 to 1322 leading to famine was later dwarfed

by the plague epidemic of 1348 to 1350. Commonly known as

the Black Death, the latter probably caused the death of over

one-third of the English population and was followed by other

major epidemics, which kept population growth low.

May I suggest you educate yourself on some basic facts before spouting irrelevant crap again.

Take a look here http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_compendia/fom2005/01_fopm_population.pdf

 

[Greenlizard0]

I said why does two wrongs make a right, i.e that someone moving to France and not bothering to learn the language is wrong as well?

The reason that point was given (the one causing you to respond with 'two wrongs don't make a right') is because it happens everywhere.

But more importantly I don't believe attention would be given should the French moan about us Brits who moved and couldn't speak their language.

Also looking back at a lot of your threads, it's pretty obvious that if French people came over here and did the same you'd be less busy creating threads about them, than you would say Muslims. It's difficult and unbelievable to differentiate a view against immigration and e.g. Islam especially since I think you've created threads on both.

 

[TheCenturion]

its a bit different as now there is nearly 69 million people crammed on this little island its a lot easier for immigration in the past





May I suggest you educate yourself on some basic facts before spouting irrelevant crap again.

Take a look here http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_compendia/fom2005/01_fopm_population.pdf

May I suggest that YOU stop spouting irrelevant crap again? The OP's argument has nothing to do with the fact that immigration is increasing our population size. It's about ruining culture etc.

 

[St.Josh]

Why does two wrongs make a right?

Why did you only say you disliked the fact that some immigrants coming into the UK can't speak english. For someone who "isn't racist" you come across as very prejudiced towards people from other cultures coming into the UK.

 

[Patient Keeper]

But that's not the point at all is it?

The point is that if that multiculturalism hadn't worked, then over the last few hundred years this country wouldn't have become the power house of the world and wouldn't be one of the riches in the world today (although it's getting poorer )

Thus it simply proves that your idea that multiculturalism doesn't work is just a whole load of crap

It is the point, because we weren't in any way multicultural, and how you judge the success of society on GDP is quite worrying. Empires are built on slave labour, not peaceful loving societies.

 

[TheCenturion]

A better question is why is every ******* corner shop run by an indian or similar ?

I have been in london for about 3 years now or maybe 4 and i have not seen one newsagent owned and ran by a white british person. maybe outside london it is more common,

Do you have a problem with that? If so, what is your problem? And I'll try to help you

 

[PermaBanned]

You simply can not be against multiculturalism, you wouldn't be here without it. Besides, that implies that 'English' is a single culture, which simply isn't true.

Take some Picts, Celts and Silures
And let them settle,
Then overrun them with Roman conquerors.

Remove the Romans after approximately 400 years
Add lots of Norman French to some
Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Vikings, then stir vigorously.

Mix some hot Chileans, cool Jamaicans, Dominicans,
Trinidadians and Bajans with some Ethiopians, Chinese,
Vietnamese and Sudanese.

Then take a blend of Somalians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians
And Pakistanis,
Combine with some Guyanese
And turn up the heat.

Sprinkle some fresh Indians, Malaysians, Bosnians,
Iraqis and Bangladeshis together with some
Afghans, Spanish, Turkish, Kurdish, Japanese
And Palestinians
Then add to the melting pot.

Leave the ingredients to simmer.

As they mix and blend allow their languages to flourish
Binding them together with English.

Allow time to be cool.

Add some unity, understanding, and respect for the future,
Serve with justice
And enjoy.

Note: All the ingredients are equally important. Treating one ingredient better than another will leave a bitter unpleasant taste.

Warning: An unequal spread of justice will damage the people and cause pain. Give justice and equality to all.

Besides, you do understand how evolution works, don't you? Your suggestion that cultures should live independent of each other is absurd, without variation you don't move forward at all, and often end up with offspring that have far less immunities to diseases at the best of times. At worst, horrible genetic diseases that severely ruin or end the life of said offspring.

 

[TheCenturion]

It is the point, because we weren't in any way multicultural, and how you judge the success of society on GDP is quite worrying. Empires are built on slave labour, not peaceful loving societies.

Lol, I have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. Where did I bring wealth/GDP into this AT ALL?

 

[Patient Keeper]

The reason that point was given (the one causing you to respond with 'two wrongs don't make a right') is because it happens everywhere.

But more importantly I don't believe attention would be given should the French moan about us Brits who moved and couldn't speak their language.

Also looking back at a lot of your threads, it's pretty obvious that if French people came over here and did the same you'd be less busy creating threads about them, than you would say Muslims. It's difficult and unbelievable to differentiate a view against immigration and e.g. Islam especially since I think you've created threads on both.

I told you that Brits moving to France and not bothering to learn the language is wrong. But your view is now, like the previous person, that because some Brits have done it in France then it is OK for everyone to do it everywhere?

 

[Patient Keeper]

Why did you only say you disliked the fact that some immigrants coming into the UK can't speak english. For someone who "isn't racist" you come across as very prejudiced towards people from other cultures coming into the UK.

How is your local community going to function if people cant even communicate with eachother? Seriously, think about what you are saying. How the hell can you have groups of people living together who speak different languages and expect everything to be just fine?

 

[TheCenturion]

How is your local community going to function if people cant even communicate with eachother? Seriously, think about what you are saying. How the hell can you have groups of people living together who speak different languages and expect everything to be just fine?

I think that you are gravely mistaken. The fact is that most of the immigrants that come here have in fact learnt sufficient English to get by in everyday life.

 

[Patient Keeper]

Lol, I have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. Where did I bring wealth/GDP into this AT ALL?

But that's not the point at all is it?

The point is that if that multiculturalism hadn't worked, then over the last few hundred years this country wouldn't have become the power house of the world and wouldn't be one of the riches in the world today (although it's getting poorer )

Thus it simply proves that your idea that multiculturalism doesn't work is just a whole load of crap

?

 

[Patient Keeper]

You simply can not be against multiculturalism, you wouldn't be here without it. Besides, that implies that 'English' is a single culture, which simply isn't true.



Besides, you do understand how evolution works, don't you? Your suggestion that cultures should live independent of each other is absurd, without variation you don't move forward at all, and often end up with offspring that have far less immunities to diseases at the best of times. At worst, horrible genetic diseases that severely ruin or end the life of said offspring.

Have you got any scientific evidence for that conclusion that you need to mix cultures for natural selection to happen? Since when has inbreeding been a problem either with populations of millions?