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[Curio]

You say that as though it's a matter of fact

Think of it this way - we actually know how to travel great distances through space in theory, we just lack the ability to actually pull it off yet. Compare that to - for example - when we were learning to build a flying machine (not that long ago) and were fumbling around blind......machines that flap, getting up a head of steam and plunging off a cliff, etc, etc. Eventually we worked out that it was the shape of the wing that mattered. So in a way, we're in better shape to eventually traverse the vast distances of space than we were of building an airplane. We understand the science - we just have to wait for the technology to get there.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll be flying off to other galaxies in hundreds of years from now.......assuming we're still around as a species. And when we do, we'll probably find a planet full of aliens that hang around on forums saying "pffft - aliens LOL you nutter"

 

[Tefal]

Think of it this way - we actually know how to travel great distances through space in theory, we just lack the ability to actually pull it off yet. Compare that to - for example - when we were learning to build a flying machine (not that long ago) and were fumbling around blind......machines that flap, getting up a head of steam and plunging off a cliff, etc, etc. Eventually we worked out that it was the shape of the wing that mattered. So in a way, we're in better shape to eventually traverse the vast distances of space than we were of building an airplane. We understand the science - we just have to wait for the technology to get there.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll be flying off to other galaxies in hundreds of years from now.......assuming we're still around as a species. And when we do, we'll probably find a planet full of aliens that hang around on forums saying "pffft - aliens LOL you nutter"

But we don't understand the science to get us anything like the distance we'd need to in a reasonable time frame.


WE have the science and the ability to get to close places in about a life time iirc, but not the will to bother.

 

[Glaucus]

Think of it this way - we actually know how to travel great distances through space in theory,

No we don't, we now how to get to the closest planets in the golden zone in roughly a life time. But a lack of will, it would be phenomenally expensive for no pay back.

any further or fast and we have pretty much no idea.

 

[Curio]

No we don't, we now how to get to the closest planets in the golden zone in roughly a life time. But a lack of will, it would be phenomenally expensive for no pay back.

any further or fast and we have pretty much no idea.

Of course we do. I said "in theory" - so being able to manipulate mavity, for example, would be a good way. Of course in order to do that we would need technology that is way beyond us at present. But in hundreds of years....maybe. In my airplane example, we didn't have a clue of the science involved in flight - we didn't even know if it was possible. Also, when we were struggling to build a flying machine, could we even begin to imagine the microchip? The internet? Robotic vehicles on Mars?

The cost is irrelevant. Somebody will do it just because it can be done and that's how we move forward.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter because I know from experience certain people will not let it go and have to get the last word in...

 

[Glaucus]

Of course we do. I said "in theory" - so being able to manipulate mavity, for example, would be a good way. h

Theory means we have a good understanding of how it would work, even if we couldnt build it. We simply don't have anything like this.
Table near the bottom of propulsion methods
http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/s/Spacecraft_propulsion.htm

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

What difference does it make?

I will know that they exist but at the moment I've seen nothing that will ever convince me intelligent life is out there.
I just hope we find out before I die.

Think of it this way - we actually know how to travel great distances through space in theory, we just lack the ability to actually pull it off yet.

I was repyling to robgmum who said that Aliens can cross great distances as though it was a matter of fact

 

[Monkeymatt]

We understand the science - we just have to wait for the technology to get there.

The thing is we don't, in order to find habitable planets, we are going to have to travel vast distances. The only way we can have any chance of doing this is by travelling very close to, or possibly faster than the speed of light.

We simply do not know what happens when you travel that fast, we can try and predict, but due to us having nothing that can go anywhere near those sorts of speeds, it is impossible to know what possible effects this sort of speed would have on humans/equipment etc.

Another problem would be getting those sorts of speeds, I mean you would most likely have massive engines, I would say atleast 5 times bigger than the engines we use to power modern space-craft. Plus you would have to have a massive amount of fuel etc.

We think we know a lot from going to the Moon, but the fact is, the moon is such a short distance away compared to possible Earth like planets.

 

[Sinny]

What if there is other life out there, life more and intelligent and with advanced technology?

I think their is good enough chance intelligent or not considering the size and scale of the universe, though i have no proof to back it up.

I'd definitely consider it an untrustworthy story unless I seen it with my eye's to be honest.

 

[Glaucus]

What if there is other life out there, life more and intelligent and with advanced technology?

what about it, you still have to over come distance and date lines. we have been "advance" for say 60 years. Age of universe is ~14billion. Even if you talk about millions of advanced civilisations there's no certainty, that they will over lap.
When was are first radio broadcast made? it's hardly penetrated our tiny part of our galaxy, let alone the universe. That's assuming when it's so spread out, you could even detect it.

 

[Monkeymatt]

What if there is other life out there, life more and intelligent and with advanced technology?

Think about it statistically. With the sheer amount of planets out there, it would be almost impossible for there to not be some sort of life forms out there. Now if they will be intelligent, who knows? But after you see what Humans have done every time they have found new lands, I just hope I'm not alive when we go to another planet and mass-murder them all.

And so from what I was saying, yes there is most likely some sort of lifeform/s out there, but will either of us have the technology to get to each other? And then if we do, will we be able to interact peacefully? I don't think any of these questions will be answered for atleast another 300 years.

 

[Castiel]

It will probably be easier and more economic to 'terraform' the Planets within our own Solar System rather than cruising about the galaxy looking for 'earth like' planets. Others races may be doing just that.

In all likelihood any space-faring race would avoid any planet showing signs of intelligent life, better to be safe than sorry so to speak.

Another point to consider is that maybe we are the most advanced race, or unique, or just too plain stupid to see that the Universe we live in is in fact 'alive' to begin with and we are just a constituent part and the Universe has no need of another 'intelligent' race.

We could be the 'seed' of the universe that simply has not matured yet.

 

[Monkeymatt]

It will probably be easier and more economic to 'terraform' the Planets within our own Solar System rather than cruising about the galaxy looking for 'earth like' planets. Others races may be doing just that.

Honestly I don't think it would be possible to adapt any of the planets in our Solar system to sustain large amounts of human life. Yes you could probably have small bases on the moon, but one reason we aren't on other planets in our Solar System is because none of them (If I remember correctly) are in the "Goldilocks zone" in which life can be sustained.

So unless we were going to somehow be able to create enough force to move entire planets to get them into the "Goldilocks zone" we are not going to be able to live on these planets in large numbers.

 

[sanaxe1]

Isn't there a theory that we will only meet other humans when we go to new earth like planets due to the rate that technology advances and the vast distances involved. So for example

We send a ship with today's technology to a planet which takes 200 years to reach. But in 100 years time we have a ship which can get there in 50 years , So when the first ship arrives we will meet the people from the 2nd ship.

 

[Glaucus]

Mars is more or less in the goldilocks zone. we would just have to live mainly underground, due to radiation.

However teraforming in our solar system would insure our survival. We need to colonise many many solar systems. Although we have a very long time to so it.

 

[Monkeymatt]

Isn't there a theory that we will only meet other humans when we go to new planets due to the rate of technology advances and the vast distances involved. So for example

We send a ship with today's technology to a planet which takes 200 years to reach. But in 100 years time we have a ship which can get there in 50 years , So when the first ship arrives we will meet the people from the 2nd ship.

Well one problem will be that we won't know if either of the ships have been successful for a very long time. So say it takes the 2nd ship 50 years at around the speed of light, it will take roughly 50 million years( I believe Light is roughly a million times faster than sound) for the message to get back, unless the fly back to Earth.

 

[The Halk]

Mars is more or less in the goldilocks zone. we would just have to live mainly underground, due to radiation.

However teraforming in our solar system would insure our survival. We need to colonise many many solar systems. Although we have a very long time to so it.

From what I've been seeing more recently it's not just about the Goldilocks zone, also needed is a Jupiter like planet to act as a bouncer. Without it we'd have had far far more impacts from belt items, comets etc on earth.

 

[Glaucus]

Well one problem will be that we won't know if either of the ships have been successful for a very long time. So say it takes the 2nd ship 50 years at around the speed of light, it will take roughly 50 million years( I believe Light is roughly a million times faster than sound) for the message to get back, unless the fly back to Earth.

It would be 50 years, radio waves travel at the speed of light. It isn't sound.

 

[Monkeymatt]

Mars is more or less in the goldilocks zone. we would just have to live mainly underground, due to radiation.

However teraforming in our solar system would insure our survival. We need to colonise many many solar systems. Although we have a very long time to so it.

But before we can do that, we would need to find ways of adapting to these new conditions. I mean the humans who got to Mars would have very little sunlight, which would affect their bodies due to the vitamins. And also the lowered mavity would most likely cause problems with the human body, such as muscle and bone loss.

I'm not certain on the next point, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Mars have no atmosphere? And if so how would we get enough Oxygen to live, grow plants etc?

It would be 50 years, radio waves travel at the speed of light. It isn't sound.

Ohh really, my bad But yes, it would still mean that back here on Earth we would only find out the success of the ships 100 years later, which means it could be 3-4 generations of humans between blast off and finding out if they succeeded. What if these people got forgotten about over those 100 years? Then would we think we had found another group of Humans in the galaxy?

 

[doofer]

Why all the speculation on distant travelling, far superior intelligences (And probably Mankind in this Universe if we don't self-destruct...) and their advanced technologies may not have to 'travel' any distance at all, they might be able to manipulate Space/Time/Energy/Reality in such a way they can visit another Reality in a Parallel Universe and theoretically not even move an inch.

 

[Tefal]

Well one problem will be that we won't know if either of the ships have been successful for a very long time. So say it takes the 2nd ship 50 years at around the speed of light, it will take roughly 50 million years( I believe Light is roughly a million times faster than sound) for the message to get back, unless the fly back to Earth.

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