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Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:07

The Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 will be more than fine for a stock i5-2400. At £19.39 it's by far the best sub £30 heatsink.

Though I'd point out it seems a little mad selecting an i5-2400 and a P67 Chipset. For £19 more you'd be able to get an i5-2500K and actually be able to use the overclocking ability of the mobo.

Yes you would have to spend another £19.39 at least, for the heatsink.

So yeah, I'd suggest save up an extra £40

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:11

Sasahara said:
The Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 will be more than fine for a stock i5-2400. At £19.39 it's by far the best sub £30 heatsink.

Though I'd point out it seems a little mad selecting an i5-2400 and a P67 Chipset. For £19 more you'd be able to get an i5-2500K and actually be able to use the overclocking ability of the mobo.

Yes you would have to spend another £19.39 at least, for the heatsink.

So yeah, I'd suggest save up an extra £40

Just so you know, you can overclock the 2400 cpu upto four process bins above its maximum turbo frequency actually.

Try reading this - http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/...-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/3

So up to 3.8GHZ should be possible.

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:21

For £38 for the i5-2500K/heatsink and being able to hit 4.5 GHZ with not too much trouble seems the ideal option.

If he's looking at sli in the future that would be a little bit wasted with the slower chip, with the 2500K he wouldn't need to think about upgrading the cpu in the future.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:24

Sasahara said:
For £38 for the i5-2500K/heatsink and being able to hit 4.5 GHZ with not too much trouble seems the ideal option.

If he's looking at sli in the future that would be a little bit wasted with the slower chip, with the 2500K he wouldn't need to think about upgrading the cpu in the future.

So a 1 year warranty OEM chip, would be a bit of a bummer if it went faulty 1 day after the warranty expired.

And the OP hasnt mentioned anything about overclocking yet

Shibbzy · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:32

However the 2500k is with 1 year warranty? If i remember rightly it's a fair whack extra for the 3year warranty.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:34

Shibbzy said:
However the 2500k is with 1 year warranty? If i remember rightly it's a fair whack extra for the 3year warranty.

Thats right, its £191.99 for the retail.

Shibbzy · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:37

I'm like a mini Stulid!

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:37

stulid said:
So a 1 year warranty OEM chip, would be a bit of a bummer if it went faulty 1 day after the warranty expired.

And the OP hasnt mentioned anything about overclocking yet

You know the chances of that happening?

If that was a major concern he could get the retail, in the link you posted they hit 4.4 GHZ with the stock HS.

That's slightly cheap than getting the 3rd party HS, all be it not as good.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:39

Sasahara said:
You know the chances of that happening?

Dont know? you got any figures to show?

in the link you posted they hit 4.4 GHZ with the stock HS.

so the OP may aswell just run the 2400cpu with the stock heatsink and keep to his £500-600 max budget

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:44

Also if your so worried about warrenty time probably not a good idea to use a HD 5850 as he may not be able to find a new one for crossfire in the furture and have to resort to the 2nd hand market.

Or use a different ati model which I believe will work, but not ideal.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:48

Sasahara said:
Also if your so worried about warrenty time probably not a good idea to use a HD 5850 as he may not be able to find a new one for crossfire in the furture and have to resort to the 2nd hand market.

Or use a different ati model which I believe will work, but not ideal.

It works fine, what are you talking about?

even the clock speeds of that MSI card are stock, so any second hand 5850 stock speed, which could even still have a chunk of warranty left on it will work fine.

your just trying to scare monger now for no reason.

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:55

stulid said:
It works fine, what are you talking about?

even the clock speeds of that MSI card are stock, so any second hand 5850 stock speed, which could even still have a chunk of warranty left on it will work fine.

your just trying to scare monger now for no reason.

Your the one bringing up warrenties, not me. I'd just pointing out there's a fair chance going for the 5850 he'd have to resort to the second hand market and therefore not get a full warrenty.

If that's ok for the graphics card which based on my experience is more likely to fail than a CPU. Then the 1 year warrenty on the CPU should be worth the very slight risk too.

And by model I did mean model not oem reseller, example a HD 6850 which I think crossfire will work, but not 100% ideal.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 13:59

Sasahara said:
Your the one bringing up warrenties, not me. I'd just pointing out there's a fair chance going for the 5850 he's have to resort to the second hand market and therefore not get a full warrenty.

Depends which manufacturer the 5850 comes from, some supply more than 2years, some even supply 5 years and transferable to new owners.

Then the 1 year warrenty on the CPU should be worth the very slight risk too.

So the OP should take a risk now with his £600 ££££ pc.?

, example a HD 6850 which I think crossfire will work, but not 100% ideal.

I hope you dont mean crossfire with a 5850?

and a 5850 is faster than a 6850 - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=291

Banjo Sandwich · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:09

meow!

Jesus i go away for a bit to watch the footy and come back to this debate ha-ha!

stulid i looked into the bench thing compared to shibbzy graphics card 6870 OC to the 5850 and theres not much it.

Prior to this i had been looking at the 5870 - why is it these older models still better than the 6000 series?

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:11

Banjo Sandwich said:
meow!

Jesus i go away for a bit to watch the footy and come back to this debate ha-ha!

stulid i looked into the bench thing compared to shibbzy graphics card 6870 OC to the 5850 and theres not much it.

Prior to this i had been looking at the 5870 - why is it these older models still better than the 6000 series?

Because the High-end (5870/5850) from previous generation will always be better than the mid-range (6850/6870) of the next generation.

Its always been like this, the Nvidia GTX480 (£200 now) is faster than a GXT560ti (£200 new) and even equal to a GTX570 (£270ish)

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:20

stulid said:
Depends which manufacturer the 5850 comes from, some supply more than 2years, some even supply 5 years and transferable to new owners.

So the OP should take a risk now with his £600 ££££ pc.?

I hope you dont mean crossfire with a 5850?

and a 5850 is faster than a 6850 - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/295?vs=291

You seem to be the scare monger here, how many CPU failers have you seen? (Excluding reported issues where the 1 year warranty would suffice, or the user damaging them, which would void any warrenty)

The 6850 was an example not a suggestion, but you have seen the point if the OP can't find a new 5850, but happens to be worried about warranties (which you only you have brought up) has to buy new he'd have to get a card which is a different spec to the one he has, either faster or slower.

This might be not be an issue, but I'm just pointing out it could be.

Most ati card have 1-3 years warranty.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:22

Sasahara said:
This might be not be an issue, but I'm just pointing out it could be.

It wont be.

the faster gpu will auto clock to the slower gpu speed, if you dont understand anything about crossfire, I am sure ATi/AMD have many tech papers you can read

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:31

Banjo Sandwich said:
meow!

Jesus i go away for a bit to watch the footy and come back to this debate ha-ha!

stulid i looked into the bench thing compared to shibbzy graphics card 6870 OC to the 5850 and theres not much it.

Prior to this i had been looking at the 5870 - why is it these older models still better than the 6000 series?

Are you worried about a 1 year warrenty?

From my experence 1 seen 1 possible cpu death in 15 years from around 150-200 PCs.

The 1 possible death was an IBM 6x86MX 133MHz, but this was 1 month ago for a 15 year old PC, since I don't have parts for testing I don't know if it's the mobo, CPU or Graphics that have died.

Now it's quite possible that some of them CPUs have died and I've not been told, but I'd expect if it had happend in the first 3 years I would have been.

Sasahara · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:34

stulid said:
It wont be.

the faster gpu will auto clock to the slower gpu speed, if you dont understand anything about crossfire, I am sure ATi/AMD have many tech papers you can read

I know that, it's just a waste of money having to buy a faster card but not get the benefit.

I've not done any new reading on crossfire for about a year so if they had changed something I wouldn't know, hence my caution.

stulid · 20 Feb 2011 at 14:39

Sasahara said:
I know that, it's just a waste of money having to buy a faster card but not get the benefit.

I've not done any new reading on crossfire for about a year so if they had changed something I wouldn't know, hence my caution.

faster? by a small clock resulting in around 2-4% extra? the MSI that ocuk sell is reference stock speeds, there isn't any slower versions, so the chances of getting an identical clock sped 5850 are rather high

And crossfire has always worked by slowing down the faster card since its inception.