** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Because they arent a club who could afford to want to hold on to someone that wanted to leave and they dont have the profile of de gea, and neither does skelenberg himself because of this hype situation.
 
The Running Man said:
BaZ, its not just about value per say. We arent a club that needs to grow its value of players to function, or survive like other clubs who might take such a gamble and hope it pays off.

Im not skelenbergs biggest fan but i mean he isnt going to cost much more than 10 mill is he?

hen looking for a goalkeeper you need to see hwo the player performs in the champiosn league, in the world cup etc to assess him over a reasonable period of time in high pressure top level matches. Im just not sure we have had the opportunity with De Gea to do this and to know that he is the best keeper that we can buy right now for the coming season and maybe the season after - which is what we should be focused on.
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I'm sorry to say, but while there are clubs with the money of Man City and Chelsea, about - You DO have to look at the value of a player in a few years, you simply can't afford to run as you used to.
 
The Running Man said:
Because they arent a club who could afford to want to hold on to someone that wanted to leave and they dont have the profile of de gea, and neither does skelenberg himself because of this hype situation.
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Weird how they got almost 22m for Luis Suarez then, not to mention selling Sneijder and Huntelaar for similar amounts....but you're right they clearly can't afford it and would definitely have sold their top goalkeeper to United for under 10m, and we cleaerly would have had no competition at that price.
 
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Weird how they got almost 22m for Luis Suarez then, not to mention selling Sneijder and Huntelaar for similar amounts....but you're right they clearly can't afford it and would definitely have sold their top goalkeeper to United for under 10m, and we cleaerly would have had no competition at that price.
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At that price, I think every single club in professional football would have put a bid in.
 
The Running Man said:
BaZ, its not just about value per say. We arent a club that needs to grow its value of players to function, or survive like other clubs who might take such a gamble and hope it pays off.
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I think that's the problem. The days of Fergie (or any manager other than Chelsea's/City's) being able to go out and spend top money on players in their prime are over.

Clubs have their bean counters keeping an eye on transfer dealings now. You only have to look at the players Utd have signed over the last few years to see that. Other than Berbatov (and some say that was an exception (and would be the last exception)), how many times ahve Utd spent big money on a player over 23-24?
 
Because he simply isnt worth as much as the other guys you mentioned! Thats just not the way it works in football. In the history of goalkeeper transfers i can only see 2x over 10 million, whereas i see many regular transfers over 10mill all the time?

Plus i dont know exactly when skelenbergs contract does actually end, but he is said to be considering a new one which tells me that Ajax arent in the strogest position anyway...
 
The Running Man said:
Yes we can afford to buy a real keeper now and another one in 5 years or whatever. We dont need to gamble with youth keepers - we need solid day in day out.

There's no guarantee he would even stay for 10 years anyway so we might not even own him when he hits hid peak anyway. Maddess if you ask me.
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Based on what I've seen though this guy is the real deal. It isn't a 'gamble' - you are getting the best keeper I've seen outside the Premiership for years.

What makes him even more impressive is his attitude, even as a teenager he was bossing the line at Atletico, screaming out orders at much more senior players.

Don't think I've been this jealous about players being signed from abroad since West Ham bagged Mascherano & Tevez.
 
It's debatable whether Stekelenburg's better than De Gea or whether you could get him for sub £15m to begin with but he's going to be 29 a month into the new season.

Now you can't guarantee he'll play to 40 like VDS but if you conservatively said he'd play untill he was 35, even at £12m, he'd have cost you £2m per year. If De Gea plays untill he's 35, he'd have cost Utd ~£1.3m per year.

Personally, I wouldn't say there's much difference between De Gea and Stekelenburg in terms of ability; Stekelenburg obviously has the edge on experience but De Gea has the potential to be better. I also think you'd struggle to sign Stekelenburg for much less than £15m too so imo, £18m on De Gea is far better business.
 
cm1179 said:
why would utd need ashley young?
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We dont and as a result we will not sign him

EDIT: Just seen the story that's going to be in the Daily Fail tomorrow, it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever us signing Young, he's not better than Rooney or Berbatov to play in the no 10 role, he's not better than Nani or Valencia to play wide right and in the big games Fergie will always pick Park to play wide left and in the lesser games alternate between Park/Giggs & Nani. Just wouldn't make any sense whatsoever unless Nani is being sold, which after this season I'd be amazed at.
 
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Robbo said:
I'm not a big Young fan either, but I'd give him a chance.

I'd much rather have the likes of Sneijder instead of him.
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That's the thing though it's not a case of Young or Sneijder as they completely different players playing in completely different positions

It's got nothing to do with not being a fan of his either it's just the need for an average winger is the last thing we need, what we do need is someone like Sniejder as you said so unless Fergie reckons he can turn Young into a world class centre midfielder this transfer makes zero sense to me hence why I still cant see it being anything more than tabloid rubbish (hopefully like the J.Cole rumours turned out to be last summer)
 
Good news on De Gea, top signing. With Obertan and Bebe not yet ready to step up into the first team, we need somebody for the present that's accustomed to the Premier League and Ashley Young would be ideal for that, I think he'd be a great signing, if we can also secure Sneijder as well, they would be three great signings and I'd be extremely happy.
 
lol at the "we don't need Young" crap, I'll list the several incredibly obvious points that people seem to be missing.

Nani and Valencia will NOT end their careers at Utd, Young might. Utd's stability is largely based on having players who were great 10 years ago who are still involved and teaching kids and keeping them calm in big games. I don't think Giggs is often brilliant, infact he has some rubbish games, but what he brings to the team as new players come in is huge.

Get Young now and in 10 years he'll be calming down the next generation of younger players at Utd as they win another title.

In the current squad theres a mix of players who won't be there in 10 years, and players you don't want to be there, you've got very few "gigg's" to still be involved.

Aside from the fact that Nani has been great for ONE SEASON and catagorically has been worse than Young in every other season, that Valencia missed a huge portion of the season because of injury and you had no cover.

2 wingers has never, and will never be "enough", as for Park in important games, Park's yet another guy I can't see ending his career at Utd, also Young is faster, technically better in every aspect of the game, and great both defensively and in work rate.

He'll be an excellent signing, Valencia has never had a better season than Young, and isn't exactly young and expected to improve and Young is a far more versatile player.

Whats not to like about the transfer deal, 20-25mil, will probably play 10 years for Utd, bargain.
 
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