** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

Status
Not open for further replies.
drunkenmaster said:
12 goals, 9 assists, great passing, great crossing, great set pieces, good work rate, can make a tackle, is pretty damn strong, good positionally, but because Utd beat Blackpool that means Gibson is better than Adams?

Laughable really as is the ludicrous "X million is about right for him", people pull these numbers right out of their backsides like its a statement of fact. IF Charlie Adams was the joint 2nd highest goal score(well a few joint first and a few officially joint 4th but that sounds weird), and was high up the assisting charts aswell, what makes him worth only 8million while other players who scored and assisted less are worth more than twice as much?

Silva was 20mil +(can't recall how much tbh) and got 1/3rd the goals from a more offensive position in a team that came joint 2nd, not getting relegated.

The most laughable thing is the people who will say the most daft thing, he's not good enough for Utd, he's unproven at this level, its a step up.

Utd played the same teams Blackpool played, Nani, Rooney, Vidic played the same teams Adams played, if he can be very effective in this league against predominantly top half teams, and away from home, what would suggest there is any level to step up too?

He's one of the few players in the league that scored more away than at home, and who got only 1 goal I believe against a relegated team while he got lots against top 6 quality teams.

Adams by any standard in the current pricing of players in this league is worth over 10mil, relegation can certainly cause his value to drop but depends on his contract and if Blackpool have to cash in, which they likely don't.

If he was English, or Spanish people would be creaming over him at 15mil, because he's neither no one thinks he's any good.
Click to expand...

That is some of the more inaccurate interpretation of what people have actually said that i have read for some time.

If you dont think going from Blackpool to Manchester United is a step up then there is no hope. Yes, they played the same teams this year - the major difference being United are expected to beat them and did while Blackpool werent, didnt and got relegated.

My point about Gibson is simply that if you took him as a much criticised squad player for us and allowed him to play for Blackpool and take every long shot and have all the play passing through him every single game he may well stand out too compared to his lesser team mates. It does not mean he is of sufficient quality to do the same in the Manchester United midfield week in week out.

MAYBE Adam could step up again and be a success playing for a top club and in Europe but it is far from a certainty or even enough of one to justify some of the figures being thrown around here.
 
I think Real or anyone for that matter will see if Hernandez is consistent before bidding for him.

He doesn't look like a one season wonder but who knows!
 
Marveaux has reportedly said he'll definitely be playing in England next season but also that he's not agreed to join LFC yet.

Not sure if he's talking in riddles or if there's another prem club interested in him also.
 
BaZ87 said:
Marveaux has reportedly said he'll definitely be playing in England next season but also that he's not agreed to join LFC yet.

Not sure if he's talking in riddles or if there's another prem club interested in him also.
Click to expand...

A signing that I am pretty apathetic about really, cant say I would be terribly upset if he didnt sign for us. Besides, he'd only end up sitting on the bench because Honda will be playing in his place :p
 
Well we're going to need some attacking players to sit on the bench and you can't go too far wrong with a bosman signing. Not seen a lot of him but he's said to be a pretty handy player.
 
Tom84 said:
I wouldn't be against signing Adam (I'd certainly be more pro signing him than Ashley Young), I have my doubts as to whether tactically he's as good as Carrick so i wouldnt see him as a starter week in week out but in terms of bolstering our squad he'd certainly make us stronger in midfield

In terms of his goal return this season though I'd like to see how many of those were penalties and how many were free kicks and how many that would mean he got in open play

As for us lacking goals from midfield that's pretty much been the case since 2003 tbh because let's face it even when Ronaldo was banging them in for fun he was just making up for the lack of goals our strikers were providing and of course it could be argued that Ronaldo wasn't really a midfielder anyway so lack of goals from midfield has hardly been a hinderance to us over the past 5 years has it :cool:
Click to expand...

Carrick is more defensive mid anyway (or certainly positionally anyway) so no reason at all Carrick and Adam cant play in the same team imo, but I would certainly agree about being more pro Adam vs Young

I DO disagree about midfield goals (and lacking of) being a hindrance - I know they have had an injury laden season, but two generally considered teams in competition with Utd - Liverpool and Chelsea, BOTH have regular scoring midfielders, and who is is more often than not hauling them through the mire on a bad day, yep its Lamps or Stevie G.

Whether its Drogba / Anelka / Torres/ Saurez (or Rooney, Berba etc ) they all have off days , and thats when the AM especially pays their dues and gets the goals . However its looked at, Utd have missed 10 - 15 - 20 goals a season from central midfield the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool can rely on season in season out (even Yaya Toure got 12 goals for City)

Utd desperately require a regular goal-scoring midfielder
 
BaZ87 said:
Well we're going to need some attacking players to sit on the bench and you can't go too far wrong with a bosman signing. Not seen a lot of him but he's said to be a pretty handy player.
Click to expand...

He's had his injury problems recently too.. not Aurelio style problems, but not a Kuyt style fitness signing either.
Probably would be fairly happy signing for us and spending some time on the bench / filling in .. its fairly obvious his body isnt cut out to play week in week out.
 
placeholder said:
That is some of the more inaccurate interpretation of what people have actually said that i have read for some time.

If you dont think going from Blackpool to Manchester United is a step up then there is no hope. Yes, they played the same teams this year - the major difference being United are expected to beat them and did while Blackpool werent, didnt and got relegated.

My point about Gibson is simply that if you took him as a much criticised squad player for us and allowed him to play for Blackpool and take every long shot and have all the play passing through him every single game he may well stand out too compared to his lesser team mates. It does not mean he is of sufficient quality to do the same in the Manchester United midfield week in week out.

MAYBE Adam could step up again and be a success playing for a top club and in Europe but it is far from a certainty or even enough of one to justify some of the figures being thrown around here.
Click to expand...

What pure unadulterated rubbish, firstly Gibson would stick out at Blackpool, as one of there worse players.

One of the dafter things I've seen from both you and others is suggesting that because the 11 players on a pitch for Blackpool didn't win a game, means automatically Adam's wasn't good. There is literally not a shred of logic in there.

Gibson is rubbish, its that simple Adam had a great season, players shine with better players around them more often than not. Adams has already played in Europe before, both in the Uefa cup and the Champions league, but I assume you didn't notice that, he's scored in both those competitions.

All you need to have done is watch Adam play this season, Blackpool have a good attack and a shocking defence, thats who they are, Blackpool losing isn't a sign of how good or bad Adam is, the same way Gibson being utterly turd doesn't make Utd turd, or Utd winning a title doesn't make him a great player, yet you've decided Blackpool as a team being relegated makes Adam unproven.

N'zogbia has been relegated twice in only a few seasons yet was one of the best wingers in the league this season, but he's french and now a bunch of teams want him and it looks like a decent fee for him aswell.

Who he scored against has no bearing on how good or bad he is directly, he's scored 2 against Stuttgart, there will be a dozen players at Utd who haven't, does that make them worse, no. if you WATCH HIM PLAY, good movement, some excellent passing long and short, great vision/throughball, great set piece delivery, ability to tackle, defend, good work rate, quality player. Outstanding, proven year after year, no, if he was you'd be looking at a huge fee, he's scored in the Uefa cup, Champs league, 12 goals in the EPL, stood up in the biggest games. He's a very decent player right now, he ticks just about every box making him a fairly well rounded player and yes, he infact will play against many of the same teams next season as this season, teams he played very very well against.
 
Last edited:
I think Gibson would do quite well at Blackpool to be honest, he isn't a completely hopeless player and would maybe feel more comfortable at a smaller team.
 
drunkenmaster said:
What pure unadulterated rubbish, firstly Gibson would stick out at Blackpool, as one of there worse players.

One of the dafter things I've seen from both you and others is suggesting that because the 11 players on a pitch for Blackpool didn't win a game, means automatically Adam's wasn't good. There is literally not a shred of logic in there.

Gibson is rubbish, its that simple Adam had a great season, players shine with better players around them more often than not. Adams has already played in Europe before, both in the Uefa cup and the Champions league, but I assume you didn't notice that.

All you need to have done is watch Adam play this season, Blackpool have a good attack and a shocking defence, thats who they are, Blackpool losing isn't a sign of how good or bad Adam is, the same way Gibson being utterly turd doesn't make Utd turd, or Utd winning a title doesn't make him a great player, yet you've decided Blackpool as a team being relegated makes Adam unproven.

N'zogbia has been relegated twice in only a few seasons yet was one of the best wingers in the league this season, but he's french and now a bunch of teams want him and it looks like a decent fee for him aswell.
Click to expand...

I am well aware of what games Adam has played in Europe. I have watched him play at Ibrox. Live. Sitting behind the goal. Listening to Rangers fans calling him one of the worst players to pull on the shirt at that time in his career. But ta for pointing it out.

As for the bit in bold - are you REALLY being THAT obtuse?

The football graveyard is littered with players who have looked absolutely fantastic at lesser clubs in the PL and struggled badly when signed by a top side. My reference to Gibson - as it seems you need every little thing explained in detail - was an EXAMPLE to try and illustrate it. Naturally you took it absolutely literally.

We can remove the name if it makes it easier. A squad player for a top team may not be able to make the breakthrough properly at the big club but if placed in a smaller club where he is the main man he will both stand out and flourish. Maybe a better example would be a Scottish player unable to make the grade at one of the giants of Scottish football but who looks amazing when sold to a small seaside club in England. Perhaps not.

Anyway the point was that if you cant see a move from Blackpool to the like of Man Utd or Liverpool as being a "step up" just because he would be playing against the same teams then thats absolutely marvellous.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom