** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

[The Running Man]

Valencia is poor. woeful delivery, lack of skill. he is strong though and reasonably quick so he gets away with it most of the time.

Sneijder is pure fantasy talk imo. id say the odds favour cleverly fouling up our first team squad rather than wes the best neijder come the start of the season. problem is that nzogbia is already 5 times the player he is so for every minute cleverly plays we could have easily had someone better out there.

oshea, brown etc need yo be finally put out to pasture as well.

 

[Tom84]

Valencia is poor. woeful delivery, lack of skill. he is strong though and reasonably quick so he gets away with it most of the time.

Sneijder is pure fantasy talk imo. id say the odds favour cleverly fouling up our first team squad rather than wes the best neijder come the start of the season. problem is that nzogbia is already 5 times the player he is so for every minute cleverly plays we could have easily had someone better out there.

oshea, brown etc need yo be finally put out to pasture as well.

Erm... WTF are you on about now?

 

[jakeke]

Nasri won't go to Man Utd but I'm fairly sure he'll leave this summer. We won't give him the £100k+ he wants, which is right, he definitely does not deserve that sort of money. Hopefully he'll end up abroad!

 

[drunkenmaster]

Your post is completely flawed and it seems you "rate" players merely on the basis of the number of goals they score - how naiive and short-sighted.

However wonderful Van Der Vaart was until January, he was at times a virtual passenger thereafter, the same could be said of Adam, who's form tailed off dramatically after his proposed transfer window moves fell through.

The fact Van Der Vaart is at White Hart Lane and not on the bench at best at the Bernabeu is an indication if any is needed he's not the "top" bracket of players that some think he is.

On the subject of goals, as clearly this is all you can interpret, how many did Adam score from open play alone? Again, I also note that you failed to mention the season for Middlesbrough where Downing netted 9, but prefered to pick on the following two seasons where they dried up a little for him.

I would suggest you spend more time looking into the contributions players make above and beyond scoring goals.

Try some reading comprehension, YOU stated how great he is because he scored 7 and got 9 assists, not me, it was YOU. YOu also claimed this matched two players who scored 71% and 85% more than Downing.

I didn't not include his 9 goal season at Boro, I merely didn't care, the point is he hasn't scored 9 goals every season, while VDV will. As for not being on the bench at Real, Sneijder left Real aswell, does that make him a worthless player?

Likewise if you read my post at no stage did I only mention goals, I quantified the goals, in as much as, he scored against crap teams, mostly at home. Theo Walcott, a shockingly shockingly incapable player, scored 9 goals. Goals aren't everything, you're the one that brought up the stats, not me, you're the one using goals, and not who they were against, or where, or how significant they were as a single reason why Downing is great.

Young has scored and assisted essentially every single season, as much as Downing has in his best season, Downings worst seasons aren't comparable.

He's an average player, again with this over reacting nonsense, most people didn't even call downing crap, just average and not really the signing a team looking for a title win eventually should be getting, and they are all right.

7 goals, 9 assists is what the top winger at a club SHOULD get, no matter if they came 20th, or 1st, less is pretty crap, a lot more is pretty damn good, what he got was flat out average.

Young did better, with less game time, and playing various positions all year. His best season is basically twice as good as Downings best season, says it all really.

 

[The Running Man]

Erm... WTF are you on about now?

Change the word neijder to sneijder and the word yo to 'to', and then id hope you could understand it...

Dam predictive text.

 

[Tom84]

Nasri won't go to Man Utd but I'm fairly sure he'll leave this summer. We won't give him the £100k+ he wants, which is right, he definitely does not deserve that sort of money. Hopefully he'll end up abroad!

Say he does sign for Man Utd having seen him play week in week out playing in a midfield 3 playing second fiddle to Csec really, do you think he's good enough to be the main man in a midfield 2 for us?

Not saying I'd be against us signing Nasri but I dont think he's necessarily the answer to our problems tbh

 

[Gooner14]

Wenger has already stated that should Nasri leaves he won't be sold to Man Utd.

Sagna on Twitter:

And N'Zogbia also told his followers to follow Kaboul, so I'd don't see Sagna's tweet as much, unless Kaboul is off to Wigan.

 

[placeholder]

Just playing the odds, Scholes gone, Hargreaves gone (not in terms of games played but in terms of not waiting to see if he can regain fitness), an offer apparently accepted for Gibson and O'shea who could possibly play there at a push would lead me to believe, considering how Fergie likes strength in depth he'll be after CM's, we're just tying up the easier deals first, I imagine we're pursuing other options at the same time.

I think a good indication will be what happens with Gibson. If any sort of offer is accepted for him then we MUST be bringing in one or possibly more CMs. Given that Giggs has played there this season but is a year older (and with his mind possibly elsewhere!) and as you say, Scholes and Hargreaves gone, there is no way we would let Gibson go (whether you rate him as a player or not) without significant central reinforcements coming in IMO.

 

[FrankJH]

1) Absolutely no chance Cleverley will be expected to replace Scholes straight away. Decent player but will be given sub appearances and CC games to see how he does first (I cant think of the last person who was loaned out originally and came back to immediately impress with a run of starts etc). SAF will take his time as he always does (and it usually works out)

2) Young (and maybe Nasri) would be good additions, but neither will go into a central position straight away in major games (both can possibly grow into it and be competitive and consistant, but its not there yet imo) Both show real flair though

3) Remember SAF has practically got the money back for Jones (if Sunderland bid is true of course, and happens). With what Utd got for the EPL win and CL run , I cant see money running short (although whether we spend anything outrageous is another matter entirely).

The fact Scholes has retird, one CM is a must surely!!!

4) I cant see Sneijder, Modric or Pastore coming to Utd (although we could probably afford any one of them and their required wages), Utd could do with one or two CM's (preferably a proper Defensive mid if more than one bought, but AM is definitely most important)

 

[Tom84]

Cleverly plays left wing anyway

 

[BaZ87]

I always thought Utd were overstocked with CM's, mainly down to the fact that Hargreaves never played and Scholes/Gibson were bit part players. When fit and available, Carrick, Giggs, Fletcher and Anderson were probably your first 4 CM's anyway.

Saying that, I'm sure you'll be in for a CM this summer.

 

[FrankJH]

Cleverly plays left wing anyway

he doesnt JUST play left wing - he went to Wigan as a CM (and palyed a number of games for them in that position, and even been capped in that position for England)

 

[jakeke]

Say he does sign for Man Utd having seen him play week in week out playing in a midfield 3 playing second fiddle to Csec really, do you think he's good enough to be the main man in a midfield 2 for us?

Not saying I'd be against us signing Nasri but I dont think he's necessarily the answer to our problems tbh

I really don't think it's worth even debating as he won't be going to you, but he looks amazing in a midfield 2 for France and has looked great in the middle for us (arguably better wide). He's an amazing player with god like technique and bags of intelligence, he could play anywhere. If the likes of Carrick and Fletcher are deemed good enough for your CM, I think Nas will be ok ..

Give this a read! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9415207.stm

 

[BaZ87]

he doesnt JUST play left wing - he went to Wigan as a CM (and palyed a number of games for them in that position, and even been capped in that position for England)

He played a lot on the left for Wigan but not as a 'winger', the left hand side was nothing more than a starting position for him.

For as long as I remember Utd have played (for the most part) with pacey wingers providing width. I can't see Cleverly doing that sort of job and he's not good enough to get Taggart to change his style of play so if he does come back to Utd, I'd be shocked if he played left side as his main position.

 

[FrankJH]

He played a lot on the left for Wigan but not as a 'winger', the left hand side was nothing more than a starting position for him.

For as long as I remember Utd have played (for the most part) with pacey wingers providing width. I can't see Cleverly doing that sort of job and he's not good enough to get Taggart to change his style of play so if he does come back to Utd, I'd be shocked if he played left side as his main position.

Considering how long we persisted with Gibson (and surely Cleverley is much better than that already) I cant see SAF not wanting him back

I totally take your point about pacey wingers (esp as part of a 3-3-4 ) but Utd still play a lot of 4-5-1 games where Cleverley could be useful in the squad

Utd as a team are better as you suggested, never disputed that at all

 

[Tom84]

he doesnt JUST play left wing - he went to Wigan as a CM (and palyed a number of games for them in that position, and even been capped in that position for England)

I assume you mean for the under 21's? I cant comment much on his stay at Wigan only that in all the games I saw him he was played wide left and the only games I've seen him in United's first team have been wide left also (they were pre-season games though)

 

[Yas786]

Still waiting for Wenger to splash some cash....oh he just spunked £1mill down for some youngster the other day lol.

Things like this are making me wonder if Wenger will even bother to strengthen the side...sure we have a few mths left but you would think that rumours of us signing some big names would start to fly in thick and fast...well to be fair the rumours are that Nasri and our other big name players might be jumping ship...

Starting to worry a bit now...:/

Starting to worry a bit now

 

[sandy10]

Try some reading comprehension, YOU stated how great he is because he scored 7 and got 9 assists, not me, it was YOU. YOu also claimed this matched two players who scored 71% and 85% more than Downing.

I didn't not include his 9 goal season at Boro, I merely didn't care, the point is he hasn't scored 9 goals every season, while VDV will. As for not being on the bench at Real, Sneijder left Real aswell, does that make him a worthless player?

Likewise if you read my post at no stage did I only mention goals, I quantified the goals, in as much as, he scored against crap teams, mostly at home. Theo Walcott, a shockingly shockingly incapable player, scored 9 goals. Goals aren't everything, you're the one that brought up the stats, not me, you're the one using goals, and not who they were against, or where, or how significant they were as a single reason why Downing is great.

Young has scored and assisted essentially every single season, as much as Downing has in his best season, Downings worst seasons aren't comparable.

He's an average player, again with this over reacting nonsense, most people didn't even call downing crap, just average and not really the signing a team looking for a title win eventually should be getting, and they are all right.

7 goals, 9 assists is what the top winger at a club SHOULD get, no matter if they came 20th, or 1st, less is pretty crap, a lot more is pretty damn good, what he got was flat out average.

Young did better, with less game time, and playing various positions all year. His best season is basically twice as good as Downings best season, says it all really.

I qualified his "contribution" with goals and assists, but under no circumstance did I use this as a basis for comparison.

What do you mean "Young did better"? that's a clueless post, again - Downing was the Villa Player of the Year, so on what basis did Young "do better"? nicer boots? better celebrations?

You say Young "has scored and assisted in essentially every season" - considering he takes ALL our penalties and free kicks, a season's best haul of 8 in the EPL really is a glaring example of the big weakness in his game, scoring goals.

Downing's definitely NOT World CLass, but he's a very good Premiership player and would shine at a bigger club. Criticism of him is very unjustified.

As for Sneijder, the difference with VDV is staggering as he's moved from Real onto a another massive club which he inspired with a starring role to winning La Scudetto and the Champions League.

 

[Tom84]

I really don't think it's worth even debating as he won't be going to you, but he looks amazing in a midfield 2 for France and has looked great in the middle for us (arguably better wide). He's an amazing player with god like technique and bags of intelligence, he could play anywhere. If the likes of Carrick and Fletcher are deemed good enough for your CM, I think Nas will be ok ..

Give this a read! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/9415207.stm

Very defensive aren't ya luv

 

[dante6491]

Still waiting for Wenger to splash some cash....oh he just spunked £1mill down for some youngster the other day lol.

Things like this are making me wonder if Wenger will even bother to strengthen the side...sure we have a few mths left but you would think that rumours of us signing some big names would start to fly in thick and fast...well to be fair the rumours are that Nasri and our other big name players might be jumping ship...

Starting to worry a bit now...:/

Starting to worry a bit now

Close up the deals for Nasrigas and that will net about £50m. He seems to want Samba and or Cahil which will cost £28m between them. That suggests that Squillaci will be going and probably one of the youngsters who hasn't broken through yet. Miquel I think his name is. He will sign a CM to replace Nasrigas. William and Denillson swap looks fairly good. Might mean that Theo starts playing more centrally. If Arshavin bums back off to the motherland that might mean Nzogbia coming in.

Bender seems to be going for £8m somewhere, together with the £8m odd we would get for Arshavin that would bring the kitty from player sales up to £70m. Wenger would probably then spend £60m of that I reckon. £30m on two centre backs, £4m on the William Denilson swap and £25m on Nzogbia and a CM.