London **** WALK

[bam0]

Insinuating that I must be a sexual predator in waiting is much easier than trying to argue against what I said.

Argue what though? You're trying to present wild, unsubstantiated, conjecture as fact. And even supposing for a second what you said happened to have any truth to it, so what? You want all women to dress and act differently because some men might have problems with it? I'm pretty sure a few middle eastern countries have tried that one, apart from being barbaric and repressive it doesn't seem to have that much effect either.

 

[godinman]

I am not a fan of these **** walks, looks like a large amount of attention seeking really.

Everyone is entitled to wear and behave how they want (within the law). Everybody should have enough common sense to know that doing certain things in certain places/situations may get you into trouble. You probably don't always deserve that trouble, but you have to be aware that there are a lot of idiots in the world who will do bad things for silly reasons.

Pick pocket warning signs are all around London, it's not telling you that by having nice items you are allowed to have them taken from your pocket, it's telling you to be wary and take care as there is a risk.

There are signs at some London train stations warning you about using your mobile phone openly due to the relatively high risk of mugging and robbery in that area. This isn't saying if you use a phone you deserve to be mugged, it's telling you to again be wary about where you are and what you're doing to minimise the risks you face.

The same things can apply to women. If you go around late at night getting drunk wearing slutty clothes that obviously garner a lot of attention for you (both good and bad no doubt), then you should realise that this is taking a risk. It doesn't mean you deserve to be raped, but it does mean that you're increasing the chances of the wrong kind of thing happening.

Unfortunately many of these people seem to think that being warned about the negative attention they may attract through dressing provocatively (it's surely called that for a reason) is sexism or telling them they deserve to be raped, which is completely untrue and wrong.

I agree with this man.

 

[Meridian]

So why are they calling it a **** march and dressing in a way in an attempt to emphasise such a point?

It seems like they haven't thought this through.

Because while it may not be a factor in women getting attacked, it most definitely is a factor in women being told that it's their fault if they are. You don't tell men wearing expensive suits that it's their fault if they get mugged, do you? Rape cases have been dismissed, and sentences reduced, just because the victim wore a short skirt.


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[Evilsod]

Argue what though? You're trying to present wild, unsubstantiated, conjecture as fact. And even supposing for a second what you said happened to have any truth to it, so what? You want all women to dress and act differently because some men might have problems with it? I'm pretty sure a few middle eastern countries have tried that one, apart from being barbaric and repressive it doesn't seem to have that much effect either.

So pretending that how you dress has no effect at all is better is it?

Its quite simple, if you don't want attention don't dress to get it. If you don't want someone to look at your ****, don't wear a push-up bra and a tight, low-cut top. If you don't want someone to look at your arse, don't wear a very tight pair of jeans (or just leggings). You can get attention in lots of ways. I'm sure everyone went to school with someone who dyed there hair a bright colour and wears excessive amounts of brightly coloured clothes and jewellery.

Its your right to dress how you like. Whether you agree with it or not, the world works by labelling people. How you dress will affect how people treat you and doing so to tempt the opposite sex only to slap them in the face with a trout (so to speak) every time can only have negative consequences.

 

[hurfdurf]

Dress like a **** and get called one. I remember on a night out in Hanley once that most of the women were dressed like hookers. Some sexy bur some were middle aged awful looking munters who were out for their daughters birthday - urgh.

Dress like a skank, expect to be called one tbh.

I am not sure why the video goes on about rape. Women wear short skirts for male attention and when they get it they complain.

No one is complaining about being called a ****

The problem here is our rape culture which deems it OK to justify rape because of what someone was wearing and the constant victim blaming rape victims suffer. It is disgraceful and I wasn't exactly expecting any level of understanding from a male orientated board like this but this thread is still depressing.

 

[Pete19s]

Not sure if srs...

It rarely happens in this country though.

Yeah should have been more clear on that. Its not really a regular occurrence here. It just seemed like such an odd thing for her to come out and say. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen but it is more than likely to be those who have gone dressed to impress & leave little to the imagination. Sad really, I can't make any connection between someone wearing slutty clothes and therefore being up for it.

If you look further up you can see my thoughts. Even though I wouldn't care to share them with you.

Indeed but not without being prompted, much like every other thread you start.

 

[bam0]

So pretending that how you dress has no effect at all is better is it?

Its quite simple, if you don't want attention don't dress to get it. If you don't want someone to look at your ****, don't wear a push-up bra and a tight, low-cut top. If you don't want someone to look at your arse, don't wear a very tight pair of jeans (or just leggings).

Its your right to dress how you like. Whether you agree with it or not, the world works by labelling people. How you dress will affect how people treat you and doing so to tempt the opposite sex only to slap them in the face with a trout (so to speak) every time can only have negative consequences.

Pretending? You have nothing to back up what you say. You're inventing convoluted reasons why women are still in some way responsible for what happens to them, it's pretty disgusting tbh.

 

[gambitt]

Because while it may not be a factor in women getting attacked, it most definitely is a factor in women being told that it's their fault if they are. You don't tell men wearing expensive suits that it's their fault if they get mugged, do you? Rape cases have been dismissed, and sentences reduced, just because the victim wore a short skirt.

Fair point, well made. I hadn't heard of this happening.

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Pretending? You have nothing to back up what you say. You're inventing convoluted reasons why women are still in some way responsible for what happens to them, it's pretty disgusting tbh.

I don't know about the rest IMO it's in no way womens fault, but I'm saying that if you do wear slutty material the likleness of being raped is increased and therefore you've got to be more careful about who you talk to where you go etc... probably the point the police chief was trying to make but being the dumb hick that he appears to be said the wrong thing entirely.

 

[Evilsod]

Pretending? You have nothing to back up what you say. You're inventing convoluted reasons why women are still in some way responsible for what happens to them, it's pretty disgusting tbh.

Convoluted? I'm sorry but in what way is it convoluted? Exaggerated yes but saying it has no effect is plain ignorant. I have never said anyone deserved it and given the nature of it, the people who it happens to it have almost certainly had no influence on the individual who commits it.

 

[bam0]

I don't know about the rest IMO it's in no way womens fault, but I'm saying that if you do wear slutty material the likleness of being raped is increased and therefore you've got to be more careful about who you talk to where you go etc... probably the point the police chief was trying to make but being the dumb hick that he appears to be said the wrong thing entirely.

That bit in bold, not actually true.

 

[bam0]

Convoluted? I'm sorry but in what way is it convoluted? Exaggerated yes but saying it has no effect is plain ignorant. I have never said anyone deserved it and given the nature of it, the people who it happens to it have almost certainly had no influence on the individual who commits it.

Convoluted because you're claiming that there is some build up effect of women dressing in an attractive way that will lead to men raping some unspecified woman in the future, and directly implying that these previous women are therefore in some way responsible.
You claim I'm being ignorant while still giving us nothing more than your own personal conjectures, hypocrisy much?

 

[lixxus]

He's climbin in your windows
he's snatchin your people up
tryna rape em so y'all need to
hide your kids, hide your wife
hide your kids, hide your wife
hide your kids, hide your wife
and hide your husband
cuz they're rapin errbody out here

 

[Evilsod]

Convoluted because you're claiming that there is some build up effect of women dressing in an attractive way that will lead to men raping some unspecified woman in the future, and directly implying that these previous women are therefore in some way responsible.
You claim I'm being ignorant while still giving us nothing more than your own personal conjectures, hypocrisy much?

Oh so you're saying it has no effect at all are you? You seem to be under the impression I'm saying its the only factor when I'm saying nothing of the sort. Feel free to call me a hypocrite, clearly your own personal conjecture is you've ruled out how people dress completely in having an influence. Or do you have some sort of peer reviewed study to back up that statement?

 

[hurfdurf]

Oh so you're saying it has no effect at all are you? You seem to be under the impression I'm saying its the only factor when I'm saying nothing of the sort. Feel free to call me a hypocrite, clearly your own personal conjecture is you've ruled out how people dress completely in having an influence. Or do you have some sort of peer reviewed study to back up that statement?

Your making the claim it has an effect, you show that the way a woman dresses increases the chance of her getting raped. He doesn't have to prove the null hypothesis.

 

[Evilsod]

Your making the claim it has an effect, you show that the way a woman dresses increases the chance of her getting raped. He doesn't have to prove the null hypothesis.

He doesn't? His hypothesis is that it can't. Or is taking the opposite stance somehow not a hypothesis?

 

[bam0]

He doesn't? His hypothesis is that it can't. Or is taking the opposite stance somehow not a hypothesis?

There is no evidence to show it has any effect, search google/google scholar and you'll find plenty of research into this. If it's been looked into and no evidence found, why should I believe you?

 

[The Dread Pirate]

That bit in bold, not actually true.

Given that the more aroused a man is the more likley he is to give in to baser urges I'd say it's true... but hey believe what you will I'm getting bored of argueing about what goes through a rapists head.

 

[Evilsod]

There is no evidence to show it has any effect, search google/google scholar and you'll find plenty of research into this. If it's been looked into and no evidence found, why should I believe you?

You know now I'm just confused. Its taken you 4 posts to finally bother to say there is actually evidence to suggest I'm wrong instead of just outright denying it.

Oh and the first article I looked at on google scholar.

"As predicted, males rated the victim more deserving of the attack than females. As predicted, the suggestively dressed victim was rated more responsible and deserving than the somberly dressed victim."

Because its clearly a simple topic that can be dismissed in 2 sentences. But anyway, this is getting pointless. Unless you actually feel like posting some links instead of just saying 'look'.

 

[bam0]

You know now I'm just confused. Its taken you 4 posts to finally bother to say there is actually evidence to suggest I'm wrong instead of just outright denying it.

Oh and the first article I looked at on google scholar.

"As predicted, males rated the victim more deserving of the attack than females. As predicted, the suggestively dressed victim was rated more responsible and deserving than the somberly dressed victim."

Because its clearly a simple topic that can be dismissed in 2 sentences. But anyway, this is getting pointless. Unless you actually feel like posting some links instead of just saying 'look'.

You're confusing the perception people have of a victim based on their dress with the risk factor of their dress as regards being raped. To the latter it would appear from the research that it's not (a factor). You're making the assertion that it is, show me some evidence.