** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Is it possible SAF will use Cleverly as a CM for part of the season and see how he gets on? And if there are any problems, he could get someone in January? What do people think?

Could also be part of a reason hes signing another winger (if Young/Sanchez are true at all), to use him primarily as a rotational/backup player for the centre.
 
Was that not where he played with the youth team? (right side)

I've got no idea, but he plays senior football for both club and country in centre midfield ergo he's a central midfielder

Is it possible SAF will use Cleverly as a CM for part of the season and see how he gets on? And if there are any problems, he could get someone in January? What do people think?

It's starting to look that way, start the season with 2 of Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson/Giggs and use Cleverly in a similar way to which Gibson was used last season i.e. as a last resort. Hopefully Cleverly does a better job though

The way I look at it is Fergie wont bring someone in for the sake of it even if we are lacking in that position so if we're priced out of a move for Modric and the club are not willing to pay Sneijder the 175k pw he wants then we'll go in with what we had last season albeit Scholesless

Hopefully though something is in the offing that we're keeping quiet like the Hernandez deal.... thinking about it the Jones medical came out of no where as well....
 
AFAIK the only news whatsoever regarding Nani this summer has been

1- Juventus want him - probably rubbish
2- We will offer him to Inter as part of a deal for Sneijder - again probably rubbish
3- He would like to work under Mourinho one day

So nothing I've read suggests he wants to leave and nothing credible suggests we want to sell

I appreciate your opinion however;

1) No reason why Fergie wouldnt offer nearly any player from last season's squad (excl Rooney and Hernandez) for Sneijder given how much he (SAF) rates him

2) Any team (baring RM and Barca) COULD want Nani - why not, and given his relative success (great but not as great as a few of our ex wingers in the recent past) in the EPL a "slower paced" league like Italy's would gobble up the possibility of Nani - (ie giving him more time for each shot surely increases his mediocre....compared to number of shots...goals)

Im not sure about the quote's total accuracy but " I would love to work for Mourinho, BUT Im happy at Utd" - sounds a bit like he's hedging his bets to me (of course it could just be a translation issue, but I think thats unlikely)
 
Is it possible SAF will use Cleverly as a CM for part of the season and see how he gets on? And if there are any problems, he could get someone in January? What do people think?

What if he gets injured? What if Fletcher has an ME relapse (if that's what it is)?

This season we got very lucky with youngsters who slotted into the first team, and could maintain it for the whole season (Rabio and Hernandez), I worry a bit about doing the same thing with a core position in the spine of the team next season. I've not seen much of Cleverly (one sub appearance) so I really don't know if he's any good or not.

I've got no idea, but he plays senior football for both club and country in centre midfield ergo he's a central midfielder

Heinze played CB for country, we played him at left back :) All I'm saying is, Fletcher doesn't scream world class centre mid to me, which I think is what we need. He's a great utility player, but is he the sole answer to our midfield woes?
 
Is it possible SAF will use Cleverly as a CM for part of the season and see how he gets on? And if there are any problems, he could get someone in January? What do people think?

It will be too late by then if its gone wrong, he wont go in without at least one proven replacement.
 
Would love Sneijder and Sanchez at Old Trafford, but I doubt it will happen :( Then selling Carrick would be the icing on the cake :D

Sell the core of 4 title winning sides (who has JUST signed a new contract) while we have Berba still on his final season, still not totally convincing to Fergie who was dropped for the run in (just when Carrick was playing excellent 60 yard passes est etc)

I cant see it to be honest

Carrick is no better than Gibson imo, so yeah get shut of him. We can still add players to the midfield.

Just proves how diluded you are. Carrick was better against Barca than Gibson has been in nearly every game he ever played for Utd

(Im not suggesting anyone actually did very well at Wembley - just that Gibson is that bad).

Is it possible SAF will use Cleverly as a CM for part of the season and see how he gets on? And if there are any problems, he could get someone in January? What do people think?

SAF rarely puts any kind of pressure on young kids, even ones who have done reasonably on loan. Personally think Cleverly will be used for CC and FAC games and possibly early sub appearances to test him out, and see how he does. Potentially one or two seasons of this ........unless he does a Chicharito of course and surprises everyone........

Personally think Utd need someone with a little maturity who knows their game inside out and isnt floored by the OT surroundings / crowds etc etc



Fabio admittedly has been rather blighted by injury so hasnt played that much (or appears that way) , Rafael though has played quite a lot so while stil being very young, I dont think you can liken him to Smalling and Hernandez who have done incredibly well despite their inexperience (and even then Fabio has at least palyed a number of times before this season, albeit not much)
 
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Sell the core of 4 title winning sides (who has JUST signed a new contract) while we have Berba still on his final season, still not totally convincing to Fergie who was dropped for the run in (just when Carrick was playing excellent 60 yard passes est etc)

I cant see it to be honest

I still don't get the Carrick love. He does play amazing passes now and again, but what I remember of him is giving the ball away, match in, match out throughout the entire season. He also gets caught out of position and doesn't track back well IMO.
 
I do wonder if Fergie has plans to play Jones as a holding midfielder, £16.5m seems a lot to pay for a 4th(?) choice centrehalf, an area they are already strong in.
 
I appreciate your opinion however;

1) No reason why Fergie wouldnt offer nearly any player from last season's squad (excl Rooney and Hernandez) for Sneijder given how much he (SAF) rates him

2) Any team (baring RM and Barca) COULD want Nani - why not, and given his relative success (great but not as great as a few of our ex wingers in the recent past) in the EPL a "slower paced" league like Italy's would gobble up the possibility of Nani - (ie giving him more time for each shot surely increases his mediocre....compared to number of shots...goals)

Im not sure about the quote's total accuracy but " I would love to work for Mourinho, BUT Im happy at Utd" - sounds a bit like he's hedging his bets to me (of course it could just be a translation issue, but I think thats unlikely)

What exactly are you basing this admiration for Sneijder on? The fact that the media like to link him with us in every given window? I think it's more likely that Sneijder's agent just likes to whore his client about tbh

As for the clubs being interested in him maybe I didn't word my previous post correctly.... I'm sure Juventus & Inter would love Nani at their clubs but unless they're willing to pay what would surely be a figure in excess of 30m they wont be getting him and if we're looking for buyers then I would imagine that Real and Barca would be interested as well and he'd go to one of those instead
 
I do wonder if Fergie has plans to play Jones as a holding midfielder, £16.5m seems a lot to pay for a 4th(?) choice centrehalf, an area they are already strong in.

I worry that someone has finally tempted Vidic away. His wife's hatred of Manchester and the UK might have finally taken hold. I could see SAF letting him go IF the price was right, or we got an amazing young player as part of the deal.
 
Heinze played CB for country, we played him at left back :) All I'm saying is, Fletcher doesn't scream world class centre mid to me, which I think is what we need. He's a great utility player, but is he the sole answer to our midfield woes?

Heinze also played LB for Real Madrid and Marseille ;)

As for Fletcher you're now changing the debate from whether he is a centre midfield or a wide midfielder to now whether or not he's world class :confused:

No one would ever claim Fletcher was world class but he certainly does something no other midfielder at the club does and generally excels in all the big games. Lucas at Liverpool is by no means world class either but he does a similar job for them and it's no surprise when they get a big result against the better clubs it's when he's had a blinder same thing with us and Fletcher

I worry that someone has finally tempted Vidic away. His wife's hatred of Manchester and the UK might have finally taken hold. I could see SAF letting him go IF the price was right, or we got an amazing young player as part of the deal.

Vidic was quoted only yesterday saying he's the captain and not going anywhere :)
 
I think the point I was trying (and failing :)) to make about Fletcher as right/centre was to me I don't think having Fletcher undermines our need to go out and buy a world class midfielder. What I was trying to say was, Fletcher on his own isn't going to win us a game from midfield, but that doesn't mean he can't play in the middle with someone who can.

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Good news about Vids anyway :)
 
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What exactly are you basing this admiration for Sneijder on? The fact that the media like to link him with us in every given window? I think it's more likely that Sneijder's agent just likes to whore his client about tbh

As for the clubs being interested in him maybe I didn't word my previous post correctly.... I'm sure Juventus & Inter would love Nani at their clubs but unless they're willing to pay what would surely be a figure in excess of 30m they wont be getting him and if we're looking for buyers then I would imagine that Real and Barca would be interested as well and he'd go to one of those instead

Not this summer - but Fergie has openly admitted his admiration for Sneijder (and wasnt there something in a previous window that the owner of Inter turned down?)

2) Sorry but you are just dreaming about 30m (even euros) for Nani - one gets quality (or potential promise) and consistancy for that kind of money - which Nani hasnt shown in 4 or 5 seasons at Utd. SAF practically dropped him for the whole run-in which must say something surely!!!


Barca dont need him at all (and after potentially buying Cesc for £30m + would they spend another £30 for an EPL player.....unlikely (I know they have a new paid for shirt sponsorship, but their finances arent exactly rosey, plus they just signed a wide player last week didnt they?). RM....Ronny plays wide half the time...ish, and while they always splash the cash.....do they need Nani....debatable

I worry that someone has finally tempted Vidic away. His wife's hatred of Manchester and the UK might have finally taken hold. I could see SAF letting him go IF the price was right, or we got an amazing young player as part of the deal.

He signed a new contract not long ago and he was made captain......I cant see him going anywhere (although I was worried last summer, due to his wife mainly - but I think that worry is less of a concern now imo). More worried about Evra going , and even that is less on my mind than it has been
 
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Not this summer - but Fergie has openly admitted his admiration for Sneijder (and wasnt there something in a previous window that the owner of Inter turned down?)

2) Sorry but you are just dreaming about 30m (even euros) for Nani - one gets quality (or potential promise) and consistancy for that kind of money - which Nani hasnt shown in 4 or 5 seasons at Utd. SAF practically dropped him for the whole run-in which must say something surely!!!

Fergie on the supposed bid for Sneijder last summer

"I don't know where those reports about Sneijder came from. How can anybody turn me down when I haven't even made a bid?"

So simple answer is no, there's nothing that ever suggests that we've ever been interested in Sneijder

As for Nani, so in a world where Sanchez is worth in excess of 30m Nani coming of the back of being directly responsible for at least 24 goals for United last season isn't worth the same? :o

Lets be honest though discussing Nani's worth with you is about as pointless as discussing Valencia's with atpbx so we wont go there shall we
 
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I still don't get the Carrick love. He does play amazing passes now and again, but what I remember of him is giving the ball away, match in, match out throughout the entire season. He also gets caught out of position and doesn't track back well IMO.

Clueless. Carrick is one of our best players in terms of tracking and positioning.
 
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I don't understand the dislike for Carrick? He's a good player. Not much more, but definitely no less.

Whilst this isn't a glowing review of Carrick on his own merit when partnered with the right player Carrick is very very good

He just doesn't have the balls to be main man in there
 
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