Pot, kettle, and black all spring surprisingly quickly to mind.No, he'd just come in, call people names, dismiss valid arguments through his own ideological blinkers and act like all the other Tories that have come and gone.
He's a very very smart chap, wedded to some dodgy thinking with abrasive traits to dismissing things at times..
30th of June strikes.
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I'm sure I saw someone bandying a figure about that an average public sector worker will use up the contributions that they've paid in to their pension in the space of 4-5 years retirement. Would be good to be able to get an accurate estimate of this.
Really? What are the terms for early retirement through sickness? My mother retired early from her job as a head teacher with a ridiculously generous pension, and I do wonder how "normal" teachers are affected?
Pretty much this. I dream of being able to find a job that those who are striking are doing. I'm more than happy to come in and take their jobs away from them and not worry about not getting whatever percentage of payrise a year. I'd do my job, and be grateful I had one that allowed me to pay the bills and what not.
These fools in the public sector need to get a grip and realize that it isn't as bad as they reckon at all. Get real.
It's not practical nor is it possible though is it? Teachers require training. They are trying to hold the government over a barrel because they're not instantly replaceable.
so he runs a profitable company and takes a pay rise less than the % increase in profits he brought in?
ok so by that public sector employees should have a massive pay cut till they manage to make their service profitable?
I aways wonder when people quote Marx whether they've read the communist manifesto (1848). I finally bothered to last year and while I can recognise some of the problems they point out, their communist ideal sounds pretty bloody horrific to me.
Yes, you're right. The answer is to hold the entire country to ransom until you get what you want, because of course, you're not thinking about yourself here...
Indeed, it's just not fair nor have they even bothered to take into account the bigger picture.
Yes, the request for evidence often becomes problematic for those who like to keep shouting "THEY'RE UNAFFORDABLE!" without challenge.
Evidence is freely available to show that public sector pension expenditure is now peaking only to drop as a proportion of GDP in the coming decades. Also to say your concern is about cost, you apparently don't really appreciate the cost to the taxpayer on the macro level should these schemes collapse...
Therefore if these schemes are affordable, then an unjustified contribution hike can only be considered as a tax designed to undermine pension provision.
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I turn 30 on this day! A bad day had by all 
Does inflation not effect people in the real world like?
Inflation effects everyone, however not getting a pay rise does not equal a pay cut.
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How far did that get you?
Were did it get the miners?
This is kind of short sighted response I'd expect from a trade unionist member or supporter (I say supporter knowing you are priv sec worker].
The things is, I (and my work colleagues) have been voicing our opinions and concerns but at the time we appreciate the nature that the business has to make money in order to sustain it's staffing levels and any growth. If the business goes then we loose our jobs. For me (particularly at my age), it's more important to have the job that I do well in than no job at all. Public sector workers take too much for granted.
We've had a decent pension for years.. and now it's time for change. I'm surprised it's not happened sooner for us. It annoys me how unprepared people are to adapt and make necessary changes, whether they like them or not. it's no wonder over seas workers cash in on our greed and unwillingness to work, for sometimes less..
well said Pneumonic
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Where they were going anyway but at least they went down fighting.
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And a ceo pension scheme is a good, and realistic, representation to bring to this debate.
Read the thread of the comments that my reply was relating to. I was highlighting that there is plenty of money about in the private sector which could be used to raise benefits to workers in the private sector. I googled the first company that came to mind to see what their recent profits were.
Ignorant statement is ignorant.
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No, simply that there is an awful lot of money around which could be used to raise conditions for private sector workers if they pushed for it. Read the thread of the argument I was replying to and it will be clear why I posted that.
Hmm. Ignorant statement is ignorant.
There are twice as many private sector pension schemes being subsidised from the state than the public liability.
Instead of this inane barrage of mis informed assaults, the private sector would do well to sort out it's own back yard before it throws stones at the public.
If these private entities cannot afford their own schemes and need money from successful businesses they should no longer be trading.