** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Tummy said:
oh I was just giving the correct stats, I don't mind Grevinho being better "stats" wise to be honest.

Hazard was the player everyone was talking about last season, wonderful player, I was making the point that Arsenal went for the cheaper option in Gevinho (who is a good player, I don't remember saying he wasn't) but that Hazard would have cost more, Arsenal couldn't of afforded him so got the cheaper player.
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How do you know who we can and can't afford? There's a massive difference between having money and not spending it, and not having money.

Tummy I like you but half the time you make no sense whatsoever. Anyone can come out and say such and such player is the one everyone was talking about last season. That doesn't make them any better a player.
 
Hazard would have also fit the style Arsenal / Barca player really well, he's slight, got wonderful technical ability and is pacey, loves to attack and has real flair about him. He was the player everyone was talking about last season. He's still very young as well.

would have cost anyone ~£20+ and would have been a cracking buy. Arsenal don't pay that much for players so opted for a cheaper player in Gervinho, I suspect when Hazard goes it will be for big money.
 
Tummy said:
oh I was just giving the correct stats, I don't mind Grevinho being better "stats" wise to be honest.

Hazard was the player everyone was talking about last season, wonderful player, I was making the point that Arsenal went for the cheaper option in Gevinho (who is a good player, I don't remember saying he wasn't) but that Hazard would have cost more, Arsenal couldn't of afforded him so got the cheaper player.
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So they've got a player who assists more and scores more on a game ratio, for less money, but because he wasn't as hyped as Hazard, he's not as good?

All I can see is that they've got a player with a good record in Ligue 1. There's no point or reason to comparing him with Hazard, especially as he comes out looking worse.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
How do you know who we can and can't afford? There's a massive difference between having money and not spending it, and not having money.

Tummy I like you but half the time you make no sense whatsoever. Anyone can come out and say such and such player is the one everyone was talking about last season. That doesn't make them any better a player.
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Arsenal don't spend big money on players though do they? Nasri and Arshavin were ~15 / 18 million but still not past that 20 million mark, it was unlikely that they would ***** that much money on him, so went for the cheaper option.

I'm just saying that Arsenal imho, should have splashed the cash on Hazard, as he's a better player, that doesn't mean Gervinho is a bad player, he was just the cheaper option.
 
skippi90 said:
So they've got a player who assists more and scores more on a game ratio, for less money, but because he wasn't as hyped as Hazard, he's not as good?

All I can see is that they've got a player with a good record in Ligue 1. There's no point or reason to comparing him with Hazard, especially as he comes out looking worse.
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If you take the Big Sam view of judging players on Stats then yep.
 
Tummy said:
He might well be :o

Hazard was the stand out player last season when I watched / Read and listened to updates and commentary a bout the French leagues, Gerinvho just scored more goals domestically (and in cup comps iirc)

Arsenal don't spend big on players which is why they're so profitable, most clubs would be more profitable if they barely spent anything on fee's and just spent lots on wages. Gervinho was cheaper and the "easier" option.
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E don't spend but still compete every year. That would suggest to me that we have a better run club?

The only time we can truly comment on transfers is when it's season kicks off and we get to see the teams in full. Wenger said himself he won't be making any moves until the end anyway. To be fair to Wenger he is in a bad position. If fab and nasri leave our targets are completely different to if they stay.

If they go then we need to replace them. If they stay we could booster our defence. How would you do it?

As for nasri we don't know if someone has offered £2m or £20m for him or nothing at all. Makes a big difference to actually know the truth. We don't know the truth, Wenger does.
 
Tummy said:
Arsenal don't spend big money on players though do they? Nasri and Arshavin were ~15 / 18 million but still not past that 20 million mark, it was unlikely that they would ***** that much money on him, so went for the cheaper option.

I'm just saying that Arsenal imho, should have splashed the cash on Hazard, as he's a better player, that doesn't mean Gervinho is a bad player, he was just the cheaper option.
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I think you're getting a bit hung up on transfer fees. It doesn't matter how little someone cost. van Persie was £2,700,000 but I'm guessing that's not expensive, we should have got someone hyped up and "worth" £20,000,000 as that would have been a better signing right?

Tummy said:
If you take the Big Sam view of judging players on Stats then yep.
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The stats were only used to compare two players who play in the same team, in the same league in virtually the same position but on opposite sides of the pitch. Nothing more.
 
Tummy said:
Compete but don't win unfortunately.
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As there are only four things to win it sort of goes again you. And it's 'didn't' win. New season new chance. Anyone who says arsenal don't have a chance of winning something needs to switch to a different sport.

Despite our recent record we have a better than most chance of winning something. If teams spend £100m then obviously their chances will increase but that doesn't mean arsenal won't win anything.
 
With a bit of luck we'll see Walcott in a more central role, with Gervinho becoming the first choice right winger. I've only watched one of the two pre-season matches and they played a similar formation to last year with one up front though.
 
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