Are you Homophobic?

Biohazard · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:20

AGD said:
So are you homophobic or not?

I would very much doubt it

semi-pro waster · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:22

MeEsH BaKkA said:
Where are you getting your gay bashing/murdering facts from?

I have just shown my mother (and actual real life gay) your comments and even she laughed at you.

I like the phrasing "actual real life gay" - as opposed to the imaginary kind that we encounter in unreal life regularly?

I take the point but it's worth remembering that just because your mum or her friends haven't suffered abuse for being gay (or comparatively little abuse) that doesn't mean it isn't still an issue for some in this country - how serious a problem it is I wouldn't like to speculate without checking up further on it.

Usher said:
If a hetro man finds the thought of kissing a bloke repulsive then it's only natural that watching two blokes doing it is going to have the same effect.
Why do gays feel the need to throw it in our faces with gay pride marches & all the rest, I don't ever recall seeing a hetro pride march & if there was it would probably be banned as ' antigay'

Have heterosexuals in the recent past (say 200 years or so to give a decent timeframe to work with) suffered from anything other than isolated incidents of persecution for being straight? Indeed, has it been illegal at any point in recorded history to be straight?

It may be that gay pride marches are now somewhat of an irrelevance in terms of raising awareness and even now to some extent partly counter-productive in highlighting and changing societies opinions of what it means to be a homosexual, previously they have been valid and courageous events which have helped to change societal attitudes.

Usher said:
Many men will feel uneasy in the presence of gay men because of the feeling they are 'eying you up' . It's natural for hetro men to eye up all the attractive women they meet & a gay man will obviously do the same to what they deem as attractive men. My wife worked in the theatre & TV for many years & had several close friends who were gay men & at one time shared a flat with two of them so there's not a lot she doesn't know of the life they lead

Am I homophobic? only a little bit but not as bad as I was when I was younger

Sounds a shade egotistical to assume that every gay man will be eyeing you up as attractive - do you also assume that every female will be eyeing you up as attractive? Or are gay men somehow less discerning?

Raikiri · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:23

easyrider said:
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When people say something is 'gay' it usually has absolutely zero relevance to homosexuals. In the same way the word gay meant something completely different in the 19th century.

Words change and evolve in their meaning and usage. Check out Series 13 episode 12 of South Park

In short, no I'm not. I live in Brighton, I'd never leave the house if I was!

Camp people however, whether they are gay or straight can GTFO

PMKeates · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:25

AGD said:
So are you homophobic or not?

Genuinely, I was homophobic before I 'became' gay.

AGD · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:25

Biohazard said:
I would very much doubt it

Yeah but he could be all internally confused like the dad in american beauty. Like "yeah, I'm gonna **** you, and I'll like it, but I still won't respect you because you're an unnatural homosexual and so am I". And then he might go and shoot someone up about it. :eek:

PMKeates said:
Genuinely, I was homophobic before I 'became' gay.

Interesting, this seems to support the theory that homophobes are secretly gay.

DBT85 · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:28

Couldn't care less what sex anyone chooses to chase after. If there are two guys snogging at the bus stop I don't see any difference to a straight couple or a couple of girls.

RomanNose · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:29

AGD said:
Yeah but he could be all internally confused like the dad in american beauty. Like "yeah, I'm gonna **** you, and I'll like it, but I still won't respect you because you're an unnatural homosexual and so am I". And then he might go and shoot someone up about it.

Interesting, this seems to support the theory that homophobes are secretly gay.

Has some truth to it

It's like the people who say that you choose your sexuality, which implies they chose to be heterosexual and could have been homosexual which in turn means they are bisexual

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Biohazard · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:29

AGD said:
Interesting, this seems to support the theory that homophobes are secretly gay.

PMKeates · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:31

AGD said:
Interesting, this seems to support the theory that homophobes are secretly gay.

Maybe you're right

I was, however, generally stupid and a bigot. If I try and find a reason why I would put it down to my environment and access to information growing up, which I had little control over. Once I became an adult and gained control my opinions on virtually everything changed. I was almost certainly gay before I realised. Looking back there were a lot of signs that I just ignored/didn't understand.

Noel Gallagher · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:32

The only gayness thats acceptable is the Ballard of gay Tony.

steve-h · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:36

OP, that belly corset is gay as ****.

MeEsH BaKkA said:
infact my mum is a lesbian and had girlfriends

weirdest boner ever

Angilion · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:41

AGD said:
Interesting, this seems to support the theory that homophobes are secretly gay.

I dropped a coin this morning and it landed head down.

Does that support the "theory" that all dropped coins will always land head down all of the time?

If I was to drop 10 coins and look only at those which landed head down (regardless of how many there were), would that support the "theory" that all dropped coins will always land head down all of the time?

Sheesh.

PMKeates · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:49

Angilion said:
I dropped a coin this morning and it landed head down.

Does that support the "theory" that all dropped coins will always land head down all of the time?

Maybe not, but you've dropped lots of coins in your life and they haven't all landed head down. I think I'm the only self-confessed gay homophobic bigot on OcUK. Our statistical sample is running at a 100% success rate atm

Robbo · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:51

How can I word this so it doesn't sound too dodgy.

I find homosexuality a bit strange, I'm not really for or against it, it doesn't concern me what other people do.

What does concern me are irritating, camp homosexual men who like to prance around and make sure everyone knows they are gay. I know that is a stereotype but I do tend to run into a few of them now and again and it really does annoy me. That is more to do with the person being an irritating ****** than their sexuality though I suppose.

I do find two men snogging in the street very distasteful though, I think OTT public displays of affection are a no go for any kind people, some people just take it too far.

I also think homosexuality should be played down by the media and not up though, I would hate for young people to think it's something 'trendy' when it really isn't. If you're gay, that's fine, but it doesn't need encouraging!

AGD · 17 Jul 2011 at 13:59

Angilion said:
I dropped a coin this morning and it landed head down.

Does that support the "theory" that all dropped coins will always land head down all of the time?

If I was to drop 10 coins and look only at those which landed head down (regardless of how many there were), would that support the "theory" that all dropped coins will always land head down all of the time?

Sheesh.

Lol. I think you're taking what I said a little too seriously.

I am well aware that anecdote != statistically significant trend.

PMKeates · 17 Jul 2011 at 14:00

Robbo said:
What does concern me are irritating, camp homosexual men who like to prance around and make sure everyone knows they are gay.

I think that's a very common opinion and very fair. I'm not very camp and most of the gay people I know aren't either. However, someone being camp is hard for them to control, as it were, as so I try not to hold it against them.

Robbo said:
I also think homosexuality should be played down by the media and not up though, I would hate for young people to think it's something 'trendy' when it really isn't. If you're gay, that's fine, but it doesn't need encouraging!

We're at a point of disagreement here. It isn't also a position I've come to lightly and it has taken me many many hours of thought to decide that homosexuality should be something mildly promoted, for now. I've posted about something similar before so I'll just quote myself:

PMKeates said:
This is a tough issue for me to take a clear stance on. I'm in two minds because equality and fairness for everyone are core beliefs of mine, but I am also gay and don’t enjoy being discriminated against because of it. This confuses things as equality is a two-way street. Not allowing gay partners to sleep together is just as unfair as forcing someone to allow them to. I’ll try to rationalise my thoughts.

It is an unfortunate piece of evolutionary baggage that we humans are discriminatory. We coalesce in to groups that share our looks and our beliefs and attempt to exclude those who do not, out of fear. In the course of history the Darwinian ‘survival of the fittest’ has meant that the largest and most powerful of those groups tended to extinguish the smaller and weaker. As our minds have expanded we have come to realise that despite our differences we are equal, and that the diversity that comes with difference is a positive aspect of society.

We do, however, retain that irrational fear of those who are different. It still bubbles under the surface in our emotions and our instincts. In recent times those who seek power have consciously abused our nature to create arbitrary belief systems or establish groups that discriminate in an often violent and hateful manner, and there is no reason to suggest that people will not continue to do so. The mob does not take much to be rallied, even if it is nowadays rallied by the Daily Mail rather than a warlord or religious mystic.

In a free society discrimination would be possible. However, it would quickly be frowned upon, and the opportunities to discriminate would be very few in number. In theory, one could just require people to make their discriminations public – after all, they shouldn’t be ashamed of them if they believe in them.

Practically speaking in reference to this case, a requirement for the hotel to state clearly at all interfaces with the public that it discriminates towards unmarried couples, and as such all gay couples, would suffice. In my discrimination-free society people would be unhappy with such a hotel. They would protest against them. They’d shout from the rooftops how unfair they are being and how sad a position it is for them to take. Unfortunately, the beliefs held by the couple who run the hotel are quite common in our real society. A large number of people have been indoctrinated by hundreds of years of religious oppression to think that homosexuality is ‘a bit wrong’ and it will take hundreds of years of tolerance and understanding to undo it. Once the irrational belief is not commonplace, the concept of such a belief becomes abhorrent, something like the sign approach outlined above would work, and nobody need be unfairly treated.

To allow casual discrimination now, when as a society we still cannot trust ourselves to think straight, opens the doors to the potential abuse of society by those who would attempt to use it for their own gain; we must therefore not allow casual discrimination. The effect of this is that we have to be unfair towards those who want to discriminate, by not allowing them to.

In the case of this hotel, we must not allow them to prevent partnered couples who are gay from sleeping together if they allow partnered couples who are straight to sleep together. It might not be fair at this stage, but it is for the good of society, and it paves the way for a fair future.

That post is more in relation to the law than the media, but I think the key point still applies. In a perfect world, it would need no promoting. However, tt has been downplayed extremely negatively for a very long time, and much of that negativity still swirls around in society today. Some years of positive promotion can do little harm in the grand scheme of things. It's very unlikely that even today someone who isn't gay will identify themselves as gay.

Twentyone · 17 Jul 2011 at 14:03

Not at all. They can do whatever they want.

I've had girls hit on me but I wasn't grossed out by that. If anything its a compliment just as if it was a guy doing it

TheGamingGeneral · 17 Jul 2011 at 14:04

Robbo said:
How can I word this so it doesn't sound too dodgy.

I find homosexuality a bit strange, I'm not really for or against it, it doesn't concern me what other people do.

What does concern me are irritating, camp homosexual men who like to prance around and make sure everyone knows they are gay. I know that is a stereotype but I do tend to run into a few of them now and again and it really does annoy me. That is more to do with the person being an irritating ****** than their sexuality though I suppose.

I do find two men snogging in the street very distasteful though, I think OTT public displays of affection are a no go for any kind people, some people just take it too far.

I also think homosexuality should be played down by the media and not up though, I would hate for young people to think it's something 'trendy' when it really isn't. If you're gay, that's fine, but it doesn't need encouraging!

I would agree with that.

Robbo · 17 Jul 2011 at 14:04

PMKeates said:
I think that's a very common opinion and very fair. I'm not very camp and most of the gay people I know aren't either. However, someone being camp is hard for them to control, as it were, as so I try not to hold it against them.

We're at a point of disagreement here. It isn't also a position I've come to lightly and it has taken me many many hours of thought to decide that homosexuality should be something mildly promoted, for now. I've posted about something similar before so I'll just quote myself:That post is more in relation to the law than the media, but I think the key point still applies.

In a perfect world, it would need no promoting. However, tt has been downplayed extremely negatively for a very long time, and much of that negativity still swirls around in society today. Some years of positive promotion can do little harm in the grand scheme of things. It's very unlikely that even today someone who isn't gay will identify themselves as gay.

I think that's fair enough PMKeates, we're bound to have somewhat differing views on the matter.

It would be fair to say that homosexuality should be portrayed in a positive light, but not a 'cool' one, if you understand me!

Angilion · 17 Jul 2011 at 14:07

PMKeates said:
Maybe not, but you've dropped lots of coins in your life and they haven't all landed head down. I think I'm the only self-confessed gay homophobic bigot on OcUK. Our statistical sample is running at a 100% success rate atm

I'm wholly convinced by your argument

All that's needed now is for you to have been an American politician/preacher who very publically took an anti-homosexual stance.