** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Apparently Marcel Gecov is on way to Fulham for a medical.....who? :(

Rumours with Achille Emana too - wouldn't be too bad.
 
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Moses said:
They don't need more young players in the first team right now (they can't fit any, lulz)... but they need the production line to continue, so they can use it as a revenue stream/to subsidise the cost of training the players they do keep.

But yes, the one year contracts to over 30 players is a flawed idea, especially considering the longevity of properly focussed pros nowadays.
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Buying a 18/19 year old is no production line or a youth setup for that matter. Signning them in their early teens is what i think of production line, like what ajax had a decade ago and barca have now.
 
but thats what small clubs do. A club like arsenal needs to buy to strengthen/improve thier squad not baby sit a player so that another club can benfit from the training you have given them.
 
Tummy said:
Are they really selling players at a profit though? Take in to account the wages they've paid Clichy?
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The wages are paid for several years of service though. Had they not been paying Clichy, they'd have been paying another LB that they also would have had to pay a fee to sign.
 
Tummy said:
Are they really selling players at a profit though? Take in to account the wages they've paid Clichy?
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Does it matter? A top club should be measured by whats coming into the trophy cabinet not by how well or how much profit they are making selling players. If they ask me, a liverpool fan, what do you prefer;
a) balanced books but no silverware in years or
b) Millions in debt but winning epls, cl etc like man utd

I would take b everytime. Sports is about winning and nothing more.
 
^^Wonder if all Leeds fans would agree with that.

^As for the Arsenal project, the problem is that while in theory A may lead to B in the long term, it may not work out that way due to the likes of MC mixing things up. It has also started to reach tipping point where the quality of the team/squad has diminished so much from 2002-4 levels that there is now a lack of confidence in the club starting to come from the players themselves... Wenger may have had a plan to see his young squad grow and become another phenomemal side but due to the complete absence of trophies, there is a very real danger of players wanting out and not only that but potential signings not being interested. Even Wenger is starting to realise this with his comments about not being able to let Nasri and Fabregas leave due to sending out the wrong message.
 
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I love the misconception of how Leeds got relegated. We didn't get relegated because we overspent and sold every player, we just got relegated due to crap management and players not performing.

Paul Robinson, Scott Carson, Lucas Radebe, Gary Kelly, Steven Caldwell , Matthew Kilgallon, Michael Duberry, Roque Junior, Frazer Richardson, Ian Harte, Dominic Matteom Eirik Bakke, Nick Barmby, Stephen McPhail, Jermaine Pennant, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, David Batty, Jason Wilcox, Seth Johnson, Jody Morris, Michael Bridges,Alan Smith, Mark Viduka.

Basically our season was like West Ham's this one. Shouldn't be getting relegated with that squad. People think we sold every decent player and that's why we went down but in truth it was just our defending was the worst ever. One particular player I have made bold...
 
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I don't think people are suggesting Leeds got relegated because they sold every player, I mean here's an example of a post from me in 2003:

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In my eyes a side comprising Robinson, Mills, Radebe, Duberry, Harte, Wilcox, Batty, Barmby, Kewell, Viduka, Smith is a bunch of players who could finish in the top8 next season. Think Batty will never don a Leeds shirt again? Duberry doesn't cut it? Just replace them with say, Bakke and Matteo. And that still leaves the likes of Martyn, Milner, Johnson, Bridges, Kelly and Okon keeping the bench warm. I'm told mcphail has a bright future too.
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Moses said:
But the crippling of the club was because they spent big chasing the rainbow... but when they failed they were screwed, no? I mean other clubs can get relegated and not be completely screwed (even Newcastle managed it!), but you were locked into a lot of spending based on a model of domestic and European success... when that failed, their model failed.
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We failed when we got relegated yeah but it wasn't because of financial reasons we went down, which is what people imply. We went down because we were crap on the pitch, if we had stayed up that season we would have just been like any other club spending now.

Again it was pure management and player buys why we got relegated from the Championship, it's not always purely finances that decided our future. Poor managerial and player choices have been a deciding factor.
 
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Andybtsn said:
We failed when we got relegated yeah but it wasn't because of financial reasons we went down, which is what people imply. We went down because we were crap on the pitch, if we had stayed up that season we would have just been like any other club spending now.

Again it was pure management and player buys why we got relegated from the Championship, it's not always purely finances that decided our future. Poor managerial and player choices have been a deciding factor.
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You didn't get relegated because of your financial profligacy, but it's consigned you to the lower tiers as you couldn't hold onto enough of your premiership assets to mount a successful promotional campaign at the first time of asking.
 
I love how this thread contains 10% transfer gossip and 90% Man U., Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea fans bickering, arguing and throwing handbags at each other over who needs to sign who, for how much and when. it's not Football Manager!
 
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Stag said:
You didn't get relegated because of your financial profligacy, but it's consigned you to the lower tiers as you couldn't hold onto enough of your premiership assets to mount a successful promotional campaign at the first time of asking.
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We got to the play off final in the first season of being in the Championship so we had sufficient quality there.
 
MissChief said:
I love how this thread contains 10% transfer gossip and 90% Man U., Liverpool, City, Aresenal and Chelsea fans bickering, arguing and throwing handbags at each other over who needs to sign who, for how much and when. it's not Football Manager!
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And the fact that 90% of the 10% transfer gossip is useless pap on Twitter. :o :p
 
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But Arsenal started a project which differs from that norm. They're doing A properly, building a sustainable future (so focussed funding towards a stadium, etc)... later they'll go for the positives of B.

You may say they won stuff before, without this ~project~, but in this new age where outside investors are pumping in loads of money into their rivals, Arsenal can only compete if they have loads of money pumped in, or they build a profitable model which is self-financing.

So you should have your A and B, then a C of years of investment in infrastructure followed by success based on self-funding.
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Actually so far, the project has encouraged bad spending habits, just on wages. Emirates has boosted our match day income pretty dramatically, problem is our wages have gone up by the exact same amount.

I keep pointing out to people Arsenal don't have a quality youth setup but buy all our first teamers(almost all), we bring in kids at 18-19 and they don't come because Wenger is great with youths, its because Barca probably offered Cesc 10k a week, and Wenger offered him 20k. We offer young players without a reputation less than a top class slightly older player would want, but more than most pay for similarly aged players, but this costs us.

While Clichy performed very well and deserved his wages, and 7mil isn't a bad fee to get back, Bendtner isn't on disimilar money and Wenger refuses to play the guy, though when he does he has a very good scoring, and assisting rate while in a position no other manager in the world would force him into.

Once Arsenal's lone is repaid, unless the business side is fixed, sponsorship/other investments then we'll be back to losing money as we're barely at breaking even point today, while Wenger is bringing in more expensive replacements for players we have.

Look at how high our wages are and thats with half our "youth team" out on lone.

I have no problem signing 19 yr olds for first team duty, but if they are absolute rubbish, like Diaby, Denilson, Song, and a dozen others in our youth setup, GET RID OF THEM. Instead of ditching them we're spending 30-40mil a year on guys that shouldn't be playing anywhere near this level.

Utd have some players like that, Gibson, and a couple others, but somehow they managed to get a league winners medal and play enough games, while Bendtner can't get a game, neither can Vela, or Chamakh.

We play one striker, we have RVP, 3 strikers couldn't get a game last year(well Chamakh couldn't when RVP was fit) so thats 10mil a year sitting on the bench doing nothing. So Wenger's looking to keep Chamakh, Vela, sell Bendtner and has bought a striker to replace him who will be on higher wages, another striker who won't get a game, and, well there's rumours we're in for yet another striker..........

So 3 strikers can't get a game, sell one, buy two, look for another in the one area of the squad we can't improve. Same old crap over and over again, we're increasing our wage load, while our yearly incoming money isn't increasing really, with no increase in first team quality.
 
I love how a club that was safely top 2 and always in the mix for titles can have investing to compete for those titles labelled as 'chasing the rainbow' Arsenal never needed to go and spend stupidly, they just needed to invest sensibly on strengthening key areas, they needed not to introduce a dumb wage structure which rewards players far too early leaving little room for improvement.

Now, due to the mistakes they've made there's more work to be done than if they'd just handled things sensibly from the off.
 
Paper talk

*Carlos Tevez is set to quit Manchester City this week, with Sergio Aguero replacing him.
*Gael Clichy has revealed he quit Arsenal for Manchester City because he was sick of being a loser.
*The controversy surrounding Luka Modric's future took another dramatic twist yesterday when it emerged he has not submitted a written transfer request.
*Holland coach Bert van Marwick says a move to Manchester United would do Wesley Sneijder "a lot of good".
*Megabucks Malaga are going head to head with Corinthians in the £50million battle for Manchester City striker Carlos Tevez.
*Manchester City are ready to spend almost £86million - on three players already at the club. Joe Hart, Vincent Kompany and Micah Richards will be rewarded with new contracts.
*Chelsea will now have to fork out £40million if they want to sign Porto striker Falcao.
*Wigan want Manchester United midfielder Darron Gibson on loan.
*Arsenal have made a last-ditch attempt to keep Cesc Fabregas out of Barcelona's clutches by offering him a £14million two-year contract extension.
*Furious Wayne Rooney insists he would welcome Wesley Sneijder or any other top player to Old Trafford - even if they earn more than him.
*Manchester United are chasing Brazilian starlet Paulo Henrique Ganso - the midfielder dubbed the new Kaka.
*Sir Alex Ferguson still believes he can sign Inter Milan midfielder Wesley Sneijder for £30million.
 
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