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K1LLSW1TCH said:
When it came to the final month we were still able to win and I think we were still either 2nd or 3rd at that point as well. The team declined in the weeks following the exit from the Carling Cup final for sure, but he is saying Arsenal are unable to do it. Which isn't true. Everyone wrote Chelsea off when they were 4th or 5th or whatever it was and they made a great comeback. Arsenal went the other way and finished 4th. That doesn't make them incapable of challenging for the title.
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Going into the final month of the season you had just fallen behind Chelsea but it wasn't just that. For the previous 2 months to that you were in a huge slump; going from being in a position where if you won certain games in hand you'd have gone ahead of Utd, to being ~6 points behind them, as well as being knocked out every other competition during the same period.

It wasn't too dissimilar to the season before last or the 07/08 season(?); you challenged for the first 3/4's of the season and when it mattered you'd throw it away.
 
sandy10 said:
My point is, as previously stated, that realistically only Man Utd and Chelsea can or will finish above Man City this coming season.

Based on the final standings last season, plus the likely / completed transfer activity before the end of August, I can't understand why people are looking for an arguement by saying this statement isn't valid.
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It's not an argument its a debate.

What im saying is, just because City finished 3 points ahead or Arsenal for once it doesn't mean they should automatically be written off. Wenger has proven for countless seasons that he doesn't need to spend big to do well in the league, and maybe with another signing or two on top of Gervinho and it could be all he needs.

So saying only Chelsea or Man U can realistically finish above City isn't really a realistic forecast on the coming season. It's a rather narrow and ridiculous view.
 
sandy10 said:
Absolutely, totally agree, but the competition to win the title is likely to only be a 3 team fight. End of story....
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Are we still talking about in relation to Aguero joining City here? He is much more likely to win trophies at Real, than he is at City. That's been established, right?
 
J-FRO said:
So saying only Chelsea or Man U can realistically finish above City isn't really a realistic forecast on the coming season. It's a rather narrow and ridiculous view.
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Really?

I'd say it's a totally fair and realistic view, and as the majority of the UK bookmakers make them very comfortably 3rd favourites (7/2 compared to 9/1 Arsenal) behind Man United and Chelsea, I'm very very assured with that statement.
 
sandy10 said:
Absolutely, totally agree, but the competition to win the title is likely to only be a 3 team fight. End of story....
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I don't agree with this at all. At no point did City look like they were going to win the title last season and if Tevez leaves then where are they going to recover all those league goals from? Aguero isn't going to come in and immediately have the impact of Tevez, and I question the likes of Balotelli and Dzeko's ability to step up.
 
sandy10 said:
My point is, as previously stated, that realistically only Man Utd and Chelsea can or will finish above Man City this coming season.

Based on the final standings last season, plus the likely / completed transfer activity before the end of August, I can't understand why people are looking for an argument by saying this statement isn't valid.
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I strongly disagree. make some research and you will find out that spurs almost drew all games before and after a CL game. City struggled in games after the Europa cup Games and of course last season was Liverpool worst season so worse that they had high predictions of being relegated than wining epl. And well arsenal is all about Cesc and RVP if the former stays and the later is fit then expect the usually arsenal i.e will ONLY give up at the end of the season.

Spurs won't be in CL at least no body is predicting Lfc to be relegated so meaning every body expects a better than 6th position , Cesc is still at arsenal. But man City is now not in Europa cup but CL. It would be wish full thinking saying city has only man u and Chelsea to worry about. Actually one of Chelsea Man U or man C will finish at best 4th and among the three you can choose who is more likely.
 
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The Running Man said:
Whelan says that wigan want 10 million for Charles N'zogbia and not a penny less.

'they would be stealing nzogbia for 10 million. stealing him.

He is the best wide player in the premier league without question'

Well there you are then lads, read it and weep. Even big Whelan knows just how wide a boy nzogbia can be. ;)
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But you kept whittering on about playing him in the middle
 
bagsjoni said:
I strongly disagree. make some research and you will find out that spurs almost drew all games before and after a CL game. City struggled in games after the Europa cup Games and of course last season was Liverpool worst season so worse that they had high predictions of being relegated than wining epl. And well arsenal is all about Cesc and RVP if the former stays and the later is fit then expect the usually arsenal i.e will ONLY give up at the end of the season.

Spurs won't be in CL at least no body is predicting Lfc to be relegated so meaning every body expects a better than 6th position , Cesc is still at arsenal. But man City is now not in Europa cup but CL. It would be wish full thinking saying city has only man u and Chelsea to worry about. Actually one of Chelsea Man U or man C will finish at best 4th and among the three you can choose who is more likely.
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How utterly ludacrous! I make a statement, you jump on the abuse bandwago, you make one, and it's ok?....

You can't measure one club (Spurs) vs another (Man City) in terms of their reaction after a CL game. By that token, Man U (EPL Champions) shouldn't of progressed too far in the ECL?.......

As I've said, continually, Man City will probably only finish behind Man U or Chelsea, I believe that's a totally valid statement based on last season, their likely investment THIS summer and the lack of significant improvement from their "rivals" outside the big two.

Liverpool's acquisition of Downing, Henderson and a fit again Carroll WILL NOT bridge the gap, Spurs aren't going to get any stronger, whilst Arsenal will be over-reliant on one or two players again, unless something radically changes.

I'm quite happy for you to message me your email address, and we will, using paypal, have a punt on next season's top 3?....
 
Shamikebab said:
Well Spurs aren't, Liverpool haven't been, there target has to be just getting back into top 4 this season and how long is it since Arsenal were in the top 2? (Not trolling, I'm genuinely not sure) they are challengers but they never seem to make it.

Looking at City finishing 3rd last season it's a perfectly valid comment saying it's only United and Chelsea they have to get past.
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Sense...:D
 
.....but it's not a 15 game season.

Analyse last season AFTER 15 games and see where Liverpool, Sunderland and Blackpool were.

Now look where they finished.
 
Oh no don't tempt me because i am used to chewing such free money!.
May be you missed my point on Man City's performance after Europa cup.
Also do you realize that not until every body apart from man u remained with only the PL to focus on the top four were unpredictable. At one time Chelsea also looked like finishing 5th.

Its a fact that CL will distract you a bit from the PL and like you quoted Man U some times
its not the team with a visibly stronger squad on paper that wins but there are very many factors that also count. And that's what i was trying to show you. Teams like arsenal and Pool will always surprise you when it comes to unexpectedly coming among the top 3 and I am sure by December your will have changed your view.

Also there is a big difference between wining the EPL and the positions of there remaining top 4 slots. where us the former can be predictable the later is always open up to the last weeks of a season.

And I am normally not abusive so i wonder why you said i jumped on to the abuse band wagon.
 
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Fergie has talked up man utd should be challenging to topple barca next year. can anyone explain how this can possible if barca improve by spending circa 80 million on 2 players who are really additions - not replacements - while we have only spend 50 million - 20 on a replacement keeper, 18 on a defender who wont play in the big games and a half decent winger who really is quite similar to what we already had?

Im struggling to see how we are even close to closing the gap between barca + sanchez and potentially fabregas. if anything i would say the gap is actually widening considering we have lost scholes and have so far done nothing to address the main issues of a below par midfield central?
 
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I don't see how those Barca additions are really improvements on their first team. Sanchez is unproven and Fabregas isn't really going to strengthen their first team, just their depth in midfield.
 
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