** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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St.Josh said:
Also Jeffren? isn't he from their youth academy? Or do you mean Afellay, if so I don't think he was meant to be a regular first team signing I think he is more of a squad player a very talented squad player.
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I probably do mean Afellay yeah, always get those two mixed up. Which ever one came from PSV is who I'm on about :o
 
FrankJH said:
The whole discussion is probably irrelevant as surely its odds on favourite that Utd and Barca will be in the same side of the draw anyway (if we both get through the group games) so it wont be a one off game anyway (so therefore different tactics etc - and Barca become a little more prone seemingly)
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TBH I maintain the best chance you have of beating them is over two legs, play ultra negative anti football on their ground and hope home advantage sees you through in the second leg. Never understood the philosophy that the best chance of beating them is in a one off game :confused:
 
Tom84 said:
TBH I maintain the best chance you have of beating them is over two legs, play ultra negative anti football on their ground and hope home advantage sees you through in the second leg. Never understood the philosophy that the best chance of beating them is in a one off game :confused:
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Its pretty simple, any team can make mistakes, Barca can have an off game, miss their chances for a while and someone could nick a goal against them at the end, given a whole 2 games though its rare for Barca to not get their goal. Bad luck only runs so long and they really are very very good. Arsenal beat them in one leg, yet lost over the two games, shouldn't it be really quite obvious.

Either way, I love that people think they are strengthening just to beat Barca, its pretty simple, if you get good enough to beat Barca, you pretty much get good enough to beat anyone else aswell. Why would you, being a top team with plenty of money, aspire to beat anyone that wasn't the best team in the world?
 
When was the last time Barca failed to perform in a big game though? Even the cup final they bossed and Real hit them on the break whereas their away record in Europe is surprisingly average. Not saying your theory is totally incorrect but more teams in the champions league have had joy against them when they get to play them in front of their home fans
 
Tom84 said:
When was the last time Barca failed to perform in a big game though? Even the cup final they bossed and Real hit them on the break whereas their away record in Europe is surprisingly average. Not saying your theory is totally incorrect but more teams in the champions league have had joy against them when they get to play them in front of their home fans
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So why would you have a better chance against them in a two leg match of which one would be infront of Barca's home fans? Simple fact is, every team ever, and every team that ever will be will have bad games, the best teams don't have many, having two bad games in the space of a couple weeks is even less likely.

Who cares, I was mostly replying to the other idea that somehow strengthening to beat one team was stupid, if it happens to be the best team, its a daft suggestion. If I was a Utd fan I'd be flat out angry if Fergie said "meh, I want to be as good as Bayern, maybe Inter, but why bother trying to be as good as Barca". Trying to be the best is what he should be aiming for.

As for ultra negative tactics, its worked once in 100's of times against Barca, even then it was by the single most defensively minded manager, with two of the best centrebacks in the world over the past decade, with a very well drilled hard working midfield all working for defence. The only teams the genuinely beat Barca are the ones who go and attack them.

Inter played defensively because that was their game, practiced for it, played every game like it, they played to their strength not ultra defensive for one team. Playing to your strongest team/formation/tactic is when you're at your best, playing ultra defensively when the team isn't practiced, or great at it, is literally choosing to play no where near your best, what good is that.
 
Tom84 said:
TBH I maintain the best chance you have of beating them is over two legs, play ultra negative anti football on their ground and hope home advantage sees you through in the second leg. Never understood the philosophy that the best chance of beating them is in a one off game :confused:
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We agree on something - it had to happen eventually
 
Barcelona squad is pretty small and they don't rotate very often because the first 11 are so strong.

Buying Sanchez and Cesc will allow them to do this more comfortably and meet the seasons demands, also with affellay coming along a few more from the youth academy who seem to be doing well they have a slightly deeper squad.

Pep himself said they lack strikers they have midfielders coming out their ears basically :p
 
Breaking news Sanchez signs for barca 33 million. So all this potential flip flap that was thrown back st me, well 1 down 1 to go.

You can look at through Big Cup final in 2 ways:

We had the personell but played the wrong system
we had the wrong players and no system could save them

i think that honestly our quality isn't right and that no system could have saved us. However i do feel that the way we played in no way gave our team the best chance to win either - and infact we could have made a better fist of it with the players we had.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
As for ultra negative tactics, its worked once in 100's of times against Barca, even then it was by the single most defensively minded manager, with two of the best centrebacks in the world over the past decade, with a very well drilled hard working midfield all working for defence.
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Actually when we knocked them out in 2008 albeit that was under the Henry, Eto'o Messi era we played exactly the same way, ultra defensive on their ground and home form saw us through in the second leg. The fact that Inter knocked them out using the same approach I'd say even if the current side is better than the 2008 team those tactics seem to work the best against them.
 
Shamikebab said:
Nick, you're turning into DM. You keep saying we're buying the wrong players but you haven't given suggestions of who we should buy.
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Well for a start i have categorically stated who we should get rid of and should not have signed, like Carried, berbatov, modric etc.

i have also stated who we could sign given fergies liking for second rate players, for instance i said maybe we should buy that Adam fellow in January. I've also mentioned young hamsik on a few occasions and stated that for 10 mill buying nzogbia could be useful giving us a left sided player and someone who can cover evra if required.

So i totally refute your point. i also suggested we move Rodney back and sell berbatov or buy a player like Carroll or falcao to make use of our wingers that we keep buying. I've never disguised these ideas so how you can draw that conclusion im not sure.
 
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The Running Man said:
Well for a start i have categorically stated who we should get rid of and should not have signed, like Carried, berbatov, modric etc.

i have also stated who we could sign given fergies liking for second rate players, for instance i said maybe we should buy that Adam fellow in January. I've also mentioned young hamsik on a few occasions and stated that for 10 mill buying nzogbia could be useful giving us a left sided player and someone who can cover evra if required.

So i totally refute your point. i also suggested we move Rodney back and sell berbatov or buy a player like Carroll or falcao to make use of our wingers that we keep buying. I've never disguised these ideas so how you can draw that conclusion im not sure.
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It's pointless saying who we shouldn't have signed 3/4 years ago, I'm talking about now, so there's no use mentioning Carrick, Berbatov or Carroll.

You say 10m for N'Zogbia but you're just pulling that figure out of your behind, haven't Villa already had on offer for more than that rejected?

Falcao is no better in the air than our current options and we are already overloaded up front.

You say Young has not strengthened us but then you say N'Zogbia and Adam, do you really think those two would be strengthening us?

The only potential MC target you have mentioned is Hamsik, there's nothing to suggest he'd want to move to us. Pretty sure he has already stated this summer that he wants to stay in Italy.
 
The Running Man said:
Well for a start i have categorically stated who we should get rid of and should not have signed, like Carried, berbatov, modric etc.

i have also stated who we could sign given fergies liking for second rate players, for instance i said maybe we should buy that Adam fellow in January. I've also mentioned young hamsik on a few occasions and stated that for 10 mill buying nzogbia could be useful giving us a left sided player and someone who can cover evra if required.
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5 seasons prior to signing Carrick = 1 Premiership title, 1 Carling Cup, 1 FA Cup
5 seasons post signing Carrick = 4 Premiership titles, 2 Carling Cups, 3 Champions League Finals (1 win)

How people can still discredit his influence over the past 5 years is honestly beyond me.

And Fergie signs second rate players? So Evra, Vidic, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani, Berbatov, Hernandez, Smalling they're all second rate and belong in the same company as Charlie Adam? :o
 
Its not really though is it? Are you implying that because we signed carrick and berba 3 years ago we cant sell them now and replace them? Its not my fault that ferries is asleep at the wheel we could have gone for Carrol when he was available - we just didn't.

10mill for nzog is a done deal read the quotes and info i laid on a plate for you all. he want 10 and not a penny less. fyi its on goal.com so you can go kiss my behind on that score.

Nzog is useful for more than just left wing im kinda hoping he goes to the villains now and rips it up next season just to show so many people on here up, but we'll see how that pans out.

Think about what our team lacks, credible corner and free kick taker. Adam was cheap and rates well on both of those areas. young was near 20 million and in the last year of his contract. i hope he does well but there's something just not quite right about that price for me.

Im sure we could turn hamsik to the darkside with a few pounds shunned his way. i think easier to sign him than sneijder. i haven't played football manager in years now so im out of the loop.as to.who.is the new sivok or mascherano etc.
 
I am absolutely sick of the bickering and stupid arguements in here between United fans.

It's the same **** every few pages, just comes round in a circle.

Please stop talking about Barcelona, what we should and shouldn't have done etc.

It's incredibly boring for me, and I'm sure it's far more boring for supporters of other clubs.

Take the handbags to email.
 
Rumours hotting up about Vucinic and Adebayor to Spurs. Which means one Spurs ITK made the story up and then the others had to weigh in with "information" to keep their credibility.
 
Tom84 do you not think that ronaldo blossoming contributed more to that success or tevez or Rodney? Carrick was a peripheral player not the one who stamped his authority over the games to win those accolades?
 
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