** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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reefoid said:
Fair enough, but in my eyes that means Barca are the ones screwing him, not Arsenal. One buyer or not, arsenal have put a value on him, they can either pay it or get lost. In no way can this be described as Arsenal screwing him, as DM suggests.
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Indeed but the problem is obvious. If you want to buy something and you know no-one else can buy it, it makes sense to try and get it as cheaply as possible.

Barca arent rich and they arent crying out for a midfield player so they can play the long game safe in the knowledge that Fabregas isnt interested in going elsewhere. Its crap for Arsenal but it does make sense.

I suspect (and its just an opinion) that Cesc was given a Ronaldo-style "give me one more year" plea from Wenger last season and is now wanting the Arsenal side of the deal to be honoured this summer.
 
Shamikebab said:
Yeah but hang on:

"We are not looking at the moment but we are looking at combinations of central midfielders now at the club."

I think that's pretty clear.
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I would say its a standard response.

I can easily see us not sign anyone and win the league again.

I ranted and raved about our midfield last year yet it got us to a CL final and the league title. I also bemoaned the "pointless" signings of Smalling and Hernandez.........
 
Shamikebab said:
Ando, Giggs, Carrick, Cleverley so far.

I just can't believe we'd go into the season even weaker in our weakest area than the last 2/3 seasons of a pretty weak midfield.
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What is the first choice selection? I have to say looking at that list (with Fletcher and Gibson too) it doesn't look a top 4 crop of central midfielders.
 
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But thats what the boss does. We make stars rather than buying them.

We dont tend to buy players in the prime of their career for top money. The last one was Berbatov who gets nothing but criticism in some quarters and before that it was probably Veron.

Hernandez in a year has become a £30m+ player. It might not have been a sexy signing last July but it suddenly became one once we watched him play! :D
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Make stars from well-known very good players that is :p

Dimitar Berbatov £30.75 million
Rio Ferdinand £29.1 million
Juan Sebastián Verón £28.1 million
Wayne Rooney £25.6 million
Ruud van Nistelrooy £19 million
Anderson £17.3 million
David de Gea £17.5 million
Owen Hargreaves £17 million
Antonio Valencia £16 million
Ashley Young £16 million
Phil Jones £17 million
Nani £14.7 million
Michael Carrick £14 million

Even C Ronaldo despite becoming an epic player still went for 13 million quid which put into context is Arsenal's record transfer fee.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'making stars' - if its picking up unknowns at bargain basement prices and developing them into world-class stars then Utd definitely do not, if it's picking up well-regarded, solid players for a relatively high price and adding the 'final touches' then yes I suppose that could also be considered 'making stars' though the raw material differs somewhat in both price and quality :p
 
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I didnt think it looked top 4 last year either...
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It did with Scholes in it, I guess Fergie must really believe in Cleverley or Anderson's ability to fill his void.

But what do you know, you thought Smalling and Hernandez were pointless signings. :p
 
Rich_L said:
Make stars from well-known very good players that is :p

Dimitar Berbatov £30.75 million
Rio Ferdinand £29.1 million
Juan Sebastián Verón £28.1 million
Wayne Rooney £25.6 million
Ruud van Nistelrooy £19 million
Anderson £17.3 million
David de Gea £17.5 million
Owen Hargreaves £17 million
Antonio Valencia £16 million
Ashley Young £16 million
Phil Jones £17 million
Nani £14.7 million
Michael Carrick £14 million

Even C Ronaldo despite becoming an epic player still went for 13 million quid which put into context is Arsenal's record transfer fee.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'making stars' - if its picking up unknowns at bargain basement prices and developing them into world-class stars then Utd definitely do not, if it's picking up well-regarded, solid players for a relatively high price and adding the 'final touches' then yes I suppose that could also be considered 'making stars' though the raw material differs somewhat in both price and quality :p
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No, its the concept of taking a player and making him a better player. Aside from Berbatov and Veron in that list thats exactly what the objective has been. The two players i mentioned, i might add.

The idea is we create an asset that is woth more than the purchase price, if you want to put it in business terms. Failing that we get the value out of said asset.

For example Rio looked top top money at £30m but who could argue that we have not got value for money there? We could sell him today for £10m and we have had 10 years loyal service for £20m.

Im not saying we are buying unknowns by any means but we tend to buy players who have the potential to be better rather than buy them when they are already at their peak i think.
 
Yeah I think someone is getting a little bit carried away there with some decent appearances and important goals as a substitute :p

Though in post-Carroll-world it seems 30 million is a starting point for any negotiations for a striker :p

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Im not saying we are buying unknowns by any means but we tend to buy players who have the potential to be better rather than buy them when they are already at their peak i think.
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Yeah for sure, but the majority of players you buy are still solid performers and their values reflect that - you take players from 90% to 100% whereas Arsenal for example I would say being the epitome of 'making stars' takes players from 50-60% up - as I said yes it's still 'making stars' but with players that IMHO are pretty sure bets as their values reflect - if anything the surprise is more the ones that don't make it at Utd.

Anyway kinda OT for the transfer thread - need some more news it's been quiet...a little..too...quiet
 
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Rich_L said:
Yeah I think someone is getting a little bit carried away there with some decent appearances and important goals as a substitute :p

Though in post-Carroll-world it seems 30 million is a starting point for any negotiations for a striker :p
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Carroll is £35m, Berbatov is £30m, Henderson is £20m, Downing is £18m. Why would Hernandez command a fee less than £30m in todays market?
 
Because Carroll and Berbatov were both overpaid for in the region of 10 million due to clubs holding out and external factors such as the Torres transfer.

Hernandez is a 20 million player, tops and that is generous, as are all those 4 players. If there was some bizarre action in the background like in the Berbatov/Carroll situations then you might get 30m.
 
Rich_L said:
Because Carroll and Berbatov were both overpaid for in the region of 10 million due to clubs holding out and external factors such as the Torres transfer.

Hernandez is a 20 million player, tops and that is generous, as are all those 4 players. If there was some bizarre action in the background like in the Berbatov/Carroll situations then you might get 30m.
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In a world where Daniel Sturridge is apparently worth about £12m you are wrong.

External factors dont matter. If you were trying to buy Hernandez there would be numerous factors and none of them would be overcome with a bid south of £30m. He is already a proven scorer at International level as well as the PL and CL, its not Michael Rickets we're talking about here!! :D
 
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