BT ordered to block pirate links

Delvis said:
It's just going to go around in loops, until they finally release that they can't block all the torrent websites, they will have to block the internet (somehow) and charge you to access only certain sites.

Ahh, I thought technology made you move forward?
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A 'whitelist' Internet is both Governments and the Media Cartels wet dream. If they could control access in a such a way the populace can be kept in the dark (or 'informed' of Government propaganda) and be sold access to sites in a way like extra 'channels' are sold on cable TV/Sky TV.

One hates the Internet because it allows the populace to become informed and protest agains their Government and the other hates it. Ecause it breaks the choke hold on selling 'quality' content.
 
Ahleckz said:
I disagree with the censorship on the internet. Go after the end user by all means, but to censor sights and let a judge who likely isn't knowledgeable in the area to decide on what is right or wrong on the internet is absurd.
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The end users generally aren't the ones committing the offences, it's the uploaders/sharers.
 
stockhausen said:
Let's put it this way - as a result of this ruling, some people will move from BT to other ISPs (probably NOT Sky :p). BT will lose that revenue / money and someone else will gain it . . . by virtue of facilitating piracy - QED.

If your local pub allowed drug dealers to operate form the premises, it might be seen as a USP, encouraging people to drop in for a pint when they needed to score, thereby profiting from drug dealing, no?
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Why not sue the government for profiting from drug dealers? After all, drug dealers pay road tax and drive on our roads, the government is profiting from that! :rolleyes:

"Illegal downloads" aren't actually "illegal", it's about time people actually understood that, the "illegal" part is uploading or "distributing" copyright media.
 
anticonscience said:
One day the music/film/game/TV industry will realise all people want is for a small amount (say £10-£20) a month is access to download whatever medium( be it a film, a song, a TV program or a game) they want when they want and are free to do it with what they want. Christ people already pay £10+ to get access to Newsgroups, if a legit service offered this it would go a storm and the creator would be heralded as a hero.

Until they get this enlightened message they will continue to waste millions on DRM procedures and on treating the legitimate end user as criminal.
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I completely agree, this is the digital age apparently so why are we still locked into plastic discs?
 
kylew said:
"Illegal downloads" aren't actually "illegal", it's about time people actually understood that, the "illegal" part is uploading or "distributing" copyright media.
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Nail hit on head right here!

edit: the funny thing is that in a few of the cases the uploaders/Distributers are the actual artists of the content.
 
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matt_fsr said:
I think stockhousen missed your point Tummy.

An ISP makes money from piracy, because in order to download ~250Gb per month, you'd need a fast connection with a high bandwidth rating = expensive.

If all piracy died tomorrow, many people could ditch their 50Mb/s connections and return to 2Mb/s.
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My 24Mb Unlimited internet connection costs £15 a month, I have downloaded well over 250GB in a month...

I can't see many people ditching their 50Mb connections at all, there's loads of streaming websites, such as Youtube, iPlayer, 4OD and Vimeo where a fast connection makes a big difference, especially for HD Youtube videos. What about Steam too, and all the other Digital Distribution services? You think 2Mb is good for all that, and people only "need" 50Mb for piracy?
 
Terminel said:
I completely agree, this is the digital age apparently so why are we still locked into plastic discs?
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Apple think that age is coming to and end. Optical drives are being removed from their new products. All we need is a reasonable priced 'all you can eat' download service.

Won't happen anytime soon though. The Cartels are too tied into the sell the same media in different formats for as much as possible. This old business model isn't suitable for the digital age.
 
kylew said:
My 24Mb Unlimited internet connection costs £15 a month, I have downloaded well over 250GB in a month...

I can't see many people ditching their 50Mb connections at all, there's loads of streaming websites, such as Youtube, iPlayer, 4OD and Vimeo where a fast connection makes a big difference, especially for HD Youtube videos. What about Steam too, and all the other Digital Distribution services? You think 2Mb is good for all that, and people only "need" 50Mb for piracy?
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I have 50mb. I had 18 before that. It was simply not enough for a household of there heavy legitimate Internet users. Hell I'm waiting for a 100mb - I need it.
 
I for one do not want to see the optical disc disappear.

I like having my files in a digital format but I love owning the physical product
 
LordSplodge said:
Apple think that age is coming to and end. Optical drives are being removed from their new products. All we need is a reasonable priced 'all you can eat' download service.

Won't happen anytime soon though. The Cartels are too tied into the sell the same media in different formats for as much as possible. This old business model isn't suitable for the digital age.
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I have a BD drive in my PC, I had it disconnected for over year, only to plug it back in to burn a Windows disc so I could re-install 7 on to a laptop where my bootable USB hard disk wouldn't work with it.

I think physical media is becoming redundant. Nearly all my games are on Steam, if I buy a disc copy of something it'll be because it's not available on Steam, and even then I won't install it off the disc, I'll download an ISO of it instead and leave the game in the box, same goes for my DVDs and Blu-rays as well.
 
LordSplodge said:
I have 50mb. I had 18 before that. It was simply not enough for a household of there heavy legitimate Internet users. Hell I'm waiting for a 100mb - I need it.
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I find 24Mb to be much much better for just simple web browsing, I was on 8Mb before I went to 24Mb (I got the max 8Mb, and I also get the max 24.5Mb) and 24Mb loads pages instantly. I'll be all over fibre when I get the chance.

I find that the internet is quickly replacing "TV" over the airwaves with a lot of people using Youtube and other streaming sites instead of watching TV for things.
 
kylew said:
... "Illegal downloads" aren't actually "illegal", it's about time people actually understood that, the "illegal" part is uploading or "distributing" copyright media.
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Possibly true; you may be right that possessing / viewing / listening to a ripped film or music isn't actually against the law of the land. It is however, certainly dishonest and immoral . . . in fact, a bit like entirely legally abusing benefits or tax dodging.

If the people who own the copyright object to your listening to or watching their material, I really don't see why they shouldn't take whatever legal steps they can to stop you . . . do you? :)
 
edscdk said:
thats crud.

1) msot films are rubbish so no one is gonna pay for them once they see how rubbish they are.
2) if asked most people will lie and say they go on to buy the films

I dont know anyone who know about tpb that buys anything

personally I think they should BAN the BIG sites (numbering in the 10's) and as more pirate sites pop up simply add them to the banned list.

what I bet WILL happen is 1000's of sites start getting blocked for stupid reasons, like their logo looks a bit like x, or on some obscure forum someone linked to a banned site etc etc...
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So you've determined it's "crud" because you think "msot" movies are rubbish? Do you not see the massive flaw with this?
 
I dont download music or movies etc. I do have a personal proxy website on a domain I have hosted in california.

Nothing to worry about, YET.

I do think that this is a total waste of everybodys time and the movie industry should model spotify and a few others or get a modern online distribution system for their current and back catalogues.
 
stockhausen said:
Possibly true; you may be right that possessing / viewing / listening to a ripped film or music isn't actually against the law of the land. It is however, certainly dishonest and immoral . . . in fact, a bit like entirely legally abusing benefits or tax dodging.

If the people who own the copyright object to your listening to or watching their material, I really don't see why they shouldn't take whatever legal steps they can to stop you . . . do you? :)
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It's not "possibly" true, it's true. It's not illegal to download copyright materials. It being "immoral and dishonest" is very much subjective, you could argue the record and movie industries actions and behaviors are very immoral and dishonest http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091207/1201017234.shtml and have no business judging or complaining about the actions of the public with regards to copyright media.
 
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