BT ordered to block pirate links

[antijoke]

The Cartels are too tied into the sell the same media in different formats for as much as possible. This old business model isn't suitable for the digital age.

Which is the root cause of the whole issue!

Trust me, someone of this era or a future era will get to a position of power within these music/film studios and they will see the mass millions they can make and they will rake it in monthly, not just a one time sale.

 

[Hairybudda]

Possibly true; you may be right that possessing / viewing / listening to a ripped film or music isn't actually against the law of the land. It is however, certainly dishonest and immoral . . . in fact, a bit like entirely legally abusing benefits or tax dodging.

Do you consider borrowing a game from a friend immoral?

If the people who own the copyright object to your listening to or watching their material, I really don't see why they shouldn't take whatever legal steps they can to stop you . . . do you?

Yes massive corporations should be allowed to bully governments into beaiting us into submission.

 

[Scrutinize]

Let's put it this way - as a result of this ruling, some people will move from BT to other ISPs (probably NOT Sky ). BT will lose that revenue / money and someone else will gain it . . . by virtue of facilitating piracy - QED.

If your local pub allowed drug dealers to operate form the premises, it might be seen as a USP, encouraging people to drop in for a pint when they needed to score, thereby profiting from drug dealing, no?

do you know what, i know exactly what you are trying to say here and agree 100%.

bt and other isps make money by providing fast unrestricted internet access which people are using for piracy. by providing this service they are making money out of piracy whether it is upstream or downstream traffic. they should be responsible for the traffic, after all internet piracy was not as effective or beyond a few mp3s when dial up and data charges were per MB restricted use.

much like if the harbour patrol let the drug shipment go in and out of the port without stopping them becuase they got the port/dock fees comming in £££

 

[antijoke]

Don't be so naive to think people only have super fast for downloading.

In this day and age it is just as useful for the vast array of services that you can stream, like Youtube & Iplayer etc, just as much as a decent connection is needed for online gaming.

I got my 50Mbps connection for gaming alone.

You think people have only just started downloading films and games since super fast broadband has been available?

 

[Tefal]

ironically wasn't it bt demanding that the bbc give them money because the iplayer was using too much bandwidth?

 

[me227]

Newzbin3?

 

[Hagar]

Surely if BT block it all the ISP's who use openreach or BT services will also block it.

ISP's do not make money out of piracy, they sell bandwidth. If a small proportion of people are using it and do not see a need to contribute a bit to the production of their media, it is those people who are the problem. Also the lack of an up to date business model from industry.

This is not the major issue, attempts to enforce net identity is the big one.

 

[kylew]

ironically wasn't it bt demanding that the bbc give them money because the iplayer was using too much bandwidth?

While not ironic, I do think it was BT that did that.

 

[kylew]

do you know what, i know exactly what you are trying to say here and agree 100%.

bt and other isps make money by providing fast unrestricted internet access which people are using for piracy. by providing this service they are making money out of piracy whether it is upstream or downstream traffic. they should be responsible for the traffic, after all internet piracy was not as effective or beyond a few mp3s when dial up and data charges were per MB restricted use.

much like if the harbour patrol let the drug shipment go in and out of the port without stopping them becuase they got the port/dock fees comming in £££

You need to learn how to make analogies.

 

[Jambo]

It's not "possibly" true, it's true. It's not illegal to download copyright materials. It being "immoral and dishonest" is very much subjective, you could argue the record and movie industries actions and behaviors are very immoral and dishonest http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091207/1201017234.shtml and have no business judging or complaining about the actions of the public with regards to copyright media.

I don't think it is true. Downloading from illegal sites is still a breach of copyright. Why have people been fined for it?

 

[stockhausen]

Do you consider borrowing a game from a friend immoral? ...

Personally, no, I don't; any more than I consider it o be immoral to borrow a book from someone and read it. My opinion might be different if you were 'renting' the game from your friend. I do accept that many organisations consider that when you buy their product, it is non-transferable - Microsoft are absolutely God-awful about this.

I believe that there used to be a guy called Philippe Kahn who tried to get software treated in the same way as a book - I believe that his company disappeared very many years ago

... Yes massive corporations should be allowed to bully governments into beaiting us into submission.

I agree that any corporation, large or small, should be allowed to protect their intellectual property; the same applies to individuals. Do you disagree

 

[Tefal]

While not ironic, I do think it was BT that did that.

It is in terms of people saying bt is making money from pirates because they sell high-speed internet when bt was saying they were losing money because people were using their high speed internet to download too much legal stuff.

 

[philip2009]

They seem to have already found a way around this before the block comes into place.

I don't think I would ever have the guts to run a Tor exit node ...

 

[Glaucus]

How is it not illegal, it breaches copy right law. So how can it not be illegal. It however is civil law and not criminal law.

Also if you use torrents you are distributing and that's a criminal offence.

Before blocking stuff they need to bring copyright law more into level with theft laws. Then prosecute hard and fast.

 

[Tefal]

Before blocking stuff they need to bring copyright law more into level with theft laws. Then prosecute hard and fast.

instantly giving nearly everyone who uses the internet a criminal record for a crime equal to theft?

crippling any business that requires background checks and no criminal records?

Along with costing billions in court and legal costs?

 

[Raikiri]

Before blocking stuff they need to bring copyright law more into level with theft laws. Then prosecute hard and fast.

It isn't theft and should never be treated as such.

 

[Hagar]

Anyone who downloads music and movies probably also downloads software and windows operating systems as well.

The tools used are also morally bankrupt.

 

[Glaucus]

Why should it not be treated more seriusly?
And how would it give people an instant record. You don't get charged for acts that were done under previuse law and you still have to be charged and convicted.

 

[platypus]

Also if you use torrents you are distributing and that's a criminal offence.

I'm pretty sure most torrent clients allow you to prevent uploading.

 

[Tefal]

Why should it not be treated more seriusly?
And how would it give people an instant record. You don't get charged for acts that were done under previuse law and you still have to be charged and convicted.

because the internet is still covered in pirate media that people will encounter without ever realising it.

if you want to put it o na par with theft then you'll also have to rip out everything DRM wise that stops people using their legal right to back up media etc.