EA: "BF3 won't be on steam"

FoxEye said:
I don't think EA is being greedy at all.

It's not about Steam taking care of their customers. Steam customers could still get the DLC from inside the game client.

Instead, Steam/Valve want a cut of all the DLC revenue. Thus they have stipulated that you must be able to buy the DLC from Steam, rather than in the game itself.
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All Dowload services should be able to sell the DLC for the games that are sold on it.
 
Shamikebab said:
Yes in the ideal world everybody would be giving money to Valve

Oh wait that's Valve's ideal world.

In the actual ideal world we'd have one open source client that could access multiple systems, that way we'd have all the advantages of one client and one list of games...but with the benefits of an open market.
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That's what i would like.
 
Evilsod said:
Why exactly is that unfair? If the game is bought on Steam DLC for the Steam version must be avaialble on Steam. There is absolutely nothing wrong from the customers point of view, EA just refuse to give up that small portion of the profit.

Steam works differently to other DD services that are effectively just providing a CD Key so you can activate it on Origin. Once its sold they have nothing to do with the game. They want to lock it to Origin in the same way Steam locks it to Steam only they aren't doing it for anything so noble as 'providing direct support'.

Its not like Steam are demanding exclusive DLC rights.
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No it's completely unnecessary.

Imagine a car showroom. They sell you a car. Then they get in touch with the car manufacturer (let's say Ford) and say "unless you give us a cut of all revenue from spare parts that you sell, we will refuse to sell any more Ford cars."

Why should a customer not be able to buy their spare parts from any other place, including direct from the manufacturer, Ford?

What business is it of the car showroom where you buy your spare parts, or where you get your MOT done? Should the showroom get a cut of all MOT revenue too?
 
FoxEye said:
No it's completely unnecessary.

Imagine a car showroom. They sell you a car. Then they get in touch with the car manufacturer (let's say Ford) and say "unless you give us a cut of all revenue from spare parts that you sell, we will refuse to sell any more Ford cars."

Why should a customer not be able to buy their spare parts from any other place, including direct from the manufacturer, Ford?

What business is it of the car showroom where you buy your spare parts, or where you get your MOT done? Should the showroom get a cut of all MOT revenue too?
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Very bad analogy & no its not the same at all.
 
Ultimately in my opinion Valve are being childish and believing themselves to be more powerful than they really are.

They are no longer the only DD service in town, and Origin et al will get better and better. Maybe in years to come GFWL Marketplace will stop sucking too.

Valve should drop their silly DLC requirement and get on with making a profit selling somebody else's game.
 
Slightly off topic but what I find funny is that Diablo 3 has been announced with always online "DRM".

Yet, you always have to be online to play your games on steam, with the few exceptions that let you activate the .exe in the steam directory.

Contradictions, deploy!
 
Like it or not Steam has been around a long time, in most regards has been refined to be useful/convenient and relatively light weight, which most of the other distribution clients are not, and many many gamers myself included use it as our primary source for games and in the main see no reason to source games from other distribution methods - personally I can't be bothered with the hassle of dealing with different clients from each different publisher. So if its not on Steam I rarely buy it any more.
 
Rroff said:
Like it or not Steam has been around a long time, in most regards has been refined to be useful/convenient and relatively light weight, which most of the other distribution clients are not, and many many gamers myself included use it as our primary source for games and in the main see no reason to source games from other distribution methods - personally I can't be bothered with the hassle of dealing with different clients from each different publisher. So if its not on Steam I rarely buy it any more.
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I must be the exception to the rule, then.

I still buy from GoG, D2D, GamersGate, Amazon, etc, etc.

Steam is a good service, but I'm not married to it.
 
Rroff said:
Not the exception to the rule at all, but theres a substantial proportion who fit the description I posted.
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Indeed.

The exception is when i by from other Download services.

Why does EA even bother to have any games available on other download services is because people have preference & may not get a sale if it was only available through them & it also opens up the possibility of getting a better price elsewhere.

Now because of the status of specific game franchise have become very strong & drug like, EA thinks sod it to all the above your hooked & will take it in anyway we feel like giving it to you no matter the price or the preference & the DLC is only the start.
 
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arknor said:
why should they give steam a cut when they can have their own platform thats just as good?
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HA. You should be a comedian.

FoxEye said:
No it's completely unnecessary.

Imagine a car showroom. They sell you a car. Then they get in touch with the car manufacturer (let's say Ford) and say "unless you give us a cut of all revenue from spare parts that you sell, we will refuse to sell any more Ford cars."

Why should a customer not be able to buy their spare parts from any other place, including direct from the manufacturer, Ford?

What business is it of the car showroom where you buy your spare parts, or where you get your MOT done? Should the showroom get a cut of all MOT revenue too?
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That has to be the worst analogy I have ever heard. You just destroyed your own point.
 
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EA are ridiculous. The reason this game along with other EA titles will not be on Steam is because EA are pulling stupid stunts like "Rainforest pre-orders get Specat kit" "Game pre-orders get PWP" and Valve say "Hey EA you want to sell your product on our service you have to provide our customers with all avaliable DLC". So how ANYBODY can make Steam and Valve out to be the bad guys in this is beyond me. Sorry but do you like being punished when you buy a game because you bought it from the wrong place? As that is what EA are doing. "Oh whats that customer you bought your game from Gamersgate? Well no [insert DLC here] for you!"
 
I don't think thats what they are doing. Valve have just changed their terms and conditions to force everybody selling dlc to give them a cut. They were fine with dragon age selling dlc through the game itself so it is a new thing as far as i know. Valve being greedy if you ask me. Also, I'm sure every major publisher will soon have their own store. Better get used to it folks unless you buy retail.
 
AND ANOTHER THING! EA chatting **** about not being able to patch their games through Steam. Sorry EA but what do Ubisoft and GfWL games do then? Also all DLC has to be sold through Steam? Sorry but I have bought Dirt3 DLC through GfWL and none of that is avaliable on Steam.
 
paulc25 said:
I don't think thats what they are doing. Valve have just changed their terms and conditions to force everybody selling dlc to give them a cut. They were fine with dragon age selling dlc through the game itself so it is a new thing as far as i know. Valve being greedy if you ask me. Also, I'm sure every major publisher will soon have their own store. Better get used to it folks unless you buy retail.
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That is what I am saying. When did these T&Cs come in such that Crysis2 and DA2 are afffected but Dirt3 isn't?
 
I will buy it regardless, don't care if its in Steam or not.

In any case, you will be able to put in your library of non-steam games if you are that way inclined.
 
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