Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 11:24

No1newts said:
agree.

Good player but still living off the back of the last world cup. Modric would be a better signing or even giving Cleverly a good try out over him. You want a holding midfielder much more than a sneijder.

Waste of money ala Veron.

How can you reply to a post where someone is saying Sneijder doesnt have enough goals or assists and mention Modric?????

If goals and assists are the barometers of judgement you wouldnt touch Modric either.

No1newts · 7 Aug 2011 at 11:30

placeholder said:
How can you reply to a post where someone is saying Sneijder doesnt have enough goals or assists and mention Modric?????

If goals and assists are the barometers of judgement you wouldnt touch Modric either.

Saying a player I believe us better.

The point of the post is you are over spending massively on him.

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 11:30

Moses said:
You can afford him, but wasn't Berbatov meant to be the last older, big signing? I think they're scared of investing so much in a player who would be 31/32 at the end of his contract. The investment would be HUGE...

Say his transfer fee was £32.8m, then he was paid £220000/week for five years - that's £90m. Is he going to bring that much value to the club?

The answer is simply "no".

From a business point of view it makes no sense. Spend no money and challenge for the league and CL or spend your £90m on one player and.......challenge for the league and CL.

We were lucky enough to have chelsea to share the hit on Veron (although i thought he would have been a success if we had kept him after Beckham left). Berbatov, regardless of what he does, is saddled with the fee and lack of resale, i suspect Sneijder will be the same if he signs.

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 11:32

No1newts said:
Saying a player I believe us better.

The point of the post is you are over spending massively on him.

That is what it costs to sign a player in his peak years from a club that considers themselves to be rivals.

Thats just a fact.

It goes beyond the players ability.

You pay a premium to sign a player from a rival, even in the context of the CL. Barca and arsenal are fighting this point out over 3 years with Fabregas.

Robbo · 7 Aug 2011 at 11:35

Moses said:
Say his transfer fee was £32.8m, then he was paid £220000/week for five years - that's £90m. Is he going to bring that much value to the club?

Probably not, and those fees do seem insane but that is the state of football. Everyone is being forced to spend big due to Chelsea/Man City.

It's certainly a risk, but I think Sneijder is one of the best midfielders around and he seems to be someone we might get. Fergie and co don't seem to be interested in Modric for example. I actually think Modric is very over-rated, he's good, sure, but he's never amazed me. It's mostly just Spurs fans talking him up.

That, and judging Sneijder based purely on his ability and the job he could do for our team, I'd love him.

AGD · 7 Aug 2011 at 11:41

No1newts said:
On another note no idea when Chelsea are after another striker with their strikeforce. Especially when they really lack creativity in midfield to supply their strikers.

Agree. But I think (hope!) they'll be some movement on that front before the transfer window closes...

No1newts · 7 Aug 2011 at 12:11

placeholder said:
That is what it costs to sign a player in his peak years from a club that considers themselves to be rivals.

Thats just a fact.

It goes beyond the players ability.

You pay a premium to sign a player from a rival, even in the context of the CL. Barca and arsenal are fighting this point out over 3 years with Fabregas.

If you truly believe he is at his "peak" and that his "peak" is good enough for man utd then lol at you good sir. I don't particularly like Manu but even I would wince at the layout they would waste on him.

Also Fabregas is worth 30+ million and good wages, he's still (relatively) young and a much better player than Sneijder.

They are milking you dry over a player who isn't worth it. You mention Barca/Arsenal. Barca, despite going for a better player, have had the testicular fortitude to tell Arsenal to go jump when they feel they are overspending. Manu seem to be obediently jumping through every hoop inter put in their way to get him resulting in a waste of money.

20mill and 100k a week would be good business, they currently have you over a barrel.

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 12:17

No1newts said:
If you truly believe he is at his "peak" and that his "peak" is good enough for man utd then lol at you good sir. I don't particularly like Manu but even I would wince at the layout they would waste on him.

Also Fabregas is worth 30+ million and good wages, he's still (relatively) young and a much better player than Sneijder.

They are milking you dry over a player who isn't worth it. You mention Barca/Arsenal. Barca, despite going for a better player, have had the testicular fortitude to tell Arsenal to go jump when they feel they are overspending. Manu seem to be obediently jumping through every hoop inter put in their way to get him resulting in a waste of money.

20mill and 100k a week would be good business, they currently have you over a barrel.

27 years old is "peak" regardless of performance. It is the purchase of a player at a point where he will never become more valuable. Its not a huge thing to understand. Its built into the thinking behind the deal and is probably the reason the deal hasnt been done.

Sneijder will never be worth more than he is today.

The question is simply whether what he offers us is worth that premium price. We will never get "value for money" its just a question of whether the loss is seen as a price worth paying.

AGD · 7 Aug 2011 at 12:17

No1newts said:
20mill and 100k a week would be good business, they currently have you over a barrel.

LOL! If you think anything near £20mil would be possible for sneijder in today's market you must be on drugs.

£20mil is not good business, it's impossible business. The fabregas situation is not comparable because fabregas only wants to go to barca which lowers his price.

No1newts · 7 Aug 2011 at 12:35

I don't think it's possible. But that would be value, you are getting ripped off.

An injury prone player with questionable contribution (see DM stats) who as you said will never go for a big transfer again? Veron all over again. I watch italian football when I can and sneijder will have 1 amazing game then half a dozen if not more when he does nothing. He strolls around like gods gift to football, very suited to the Italian style not ideal to England.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 12:42

No1newts said:
I don't think it's possible. But that would be value, you are getting ripped off.

An injury prone player with questionable contribution (see DM stats) who as you said will never go for a big transfer again? Veron all over again. I watch italian football when I can and sneijder will have 1 amazing game then half a dozen if not more when he does nothing. He strolls around like gods gift to football, very suited to the Italian style not ideal to England.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it

I totally disagree ability wise, i think he could play very well in the PL. However i agree about the fee and wages involved, its a hell of a trade-off and im not sure its worth it.

I still feel the3 signing of Sneijder would only emphasise the need to sign another midfield player.

No1newts · 7 Aug 2011 at 13:07

I agree about another midfielder.

I think Cleverly has the potential to be as good as Wilshire/Maccaclacacalacheca (the young Chelsea lad) but I still think you need a good young holding/more conservative midfielder.

I would have said Rodwell but not many people tend to agree

I have always preferred big teams who sign youngish talent and develop them over stupid 30+ mill risks. Even stupid Barca/Real signings are youngish players who can still develop. The days of retarded high spending on 25+ players is passing and I see no need for Manu to tread that path even with a relatively week central midfield at the mo

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 13:29

I would sign Rodwell tomorrow TBH

shipinabottle · 7 Aug 2011 at 13:54

Rodwell would get my vote, we seemed to be in for him last year, but the rumours gone. shame. always looked very talented to me and somebody who would develop further playing with more quality around him.

As for Sneijder, he wouldn't be value for money financially, but we need a quality centre mid right now, and anderson and carrick just don't cut it at the moment, whether anderson develops is another thing, but right now, we need somebody who can be in there now, we have been lacking there for a couple of seasons since carrick and fletcher have gone off the boil.

It would be a 30 million worth paying to add security to our Premier League title aspirations and ability to make the final of the CL.

Walkerie · 7 Aug 2011 at 14:37

Is there a list anywhere of the all the signings for this transfer window?

atpbx · 7 Aug 2011 at 17:56

Sportinglife transfer centre.

FrankJH · 7 Aug 2011 at 18:03

placeholder said:
I would sign Rodwell tomorrow TBH

Rodwell is worse (currently) than Cleverly or even Jones.....dont get me wrong he has probably played better than either in the past, but he went off the boil last season and isnt that much more experienced than options we already have within the dressing room

I would go for a much more experienced /european player, Sneijder would be good if not great....but (while it may be even more unlikely) what about one of the young German Internationals......I know one or two are with RM, but a couple might be available who are still playing in Germany

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 18:18

FrankJH said:
Rodwell is worse (currently) than Cleverly or even Jones.....dont get me wrong he has probably played better than either in the past, but he went off the boil last season and isnt that much more experienced than options we already have within the dressing room

I would go for a much more experienced /european player, Sneijder would be good if not great....but (while it may be even more unlikely) what about one of the young German Internationals......I know one or two are with RM, but a couple might be available who are still playing in Germany

Sneijder and Rodwell are very different players.

I want a player who sits in the midfield, wins the ball and gives it to a better player.

Its as simple as that.

One More Solo · 7 Aug 2011 at 18:24

I definitely feel a big part of the clamour to sign Sneijder is because it would be a great statement rather than him being exactly what we need. We need a player in a similar role to Carrick but one that can operate in tighter spaces and with greater mobility, a bit like Busquets for Barcelona. There's really no shortage of creativity in our side although it comes from our wings and forwards rather than our midfield.

placeholder · 7 Aug 2011 at 18:29

One More Solo said:
I definitely feel a big part of the clamour to sign Sneijder is because it would be a great statement rather than him being exactly what we need. We need a player in a similar role to Carrick but one that can operate in tighter spaces and with greater mobility, a bit like Busquets for Barcelona. There's really no shortage of creativity in our side although it comes from our wings and forwards rather than our midfield.

I dont want us to sign a player to prove a point.

Give Cleverley his head if thats what it takes.

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Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings