Riots in Tottenham, London! (NO RACIST COMMENTS)

Nexus · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:20

Here's a picture of the burning rubbish trucks, apparently Fire Crews are on scene:

http://twitpic.com/63nvdf

[TW]Sponge · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:21

Back in Tottenham?

Mr Jack · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:21

OldCoals said:
The education system is the same for all children is it not?

No. Not even close. Do you really think that a school in a nice area of Knightbridge is the same as a school in the roughest area of Tottenham? That these children get the same education, yet alone the same support from their parents?

For want of a better description a recession is colour blind is it not?

I'm pretty sure I argued that colour isn't the issue, maybe you missed that? Recession hits everyone but the costs are different. I've lost somewhere in the region of twenty to thirty grand due to the recession - I'm affluent enough that I can that on the chin, but I've known people to whom losing twenty quid would mean that they're choosing between paying the gas bill and feeding their children.

explicit4u · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:21

Explosions heard in Tottenham!

[BBC]

SS-89 · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:22

BBC reporting 4 large explosions at diesel depot in tottenham

StriderX · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:22

OldCoals said:
Are you saying that a teacher delivers the lesson differently to each child in the class?

Id say that, but its usually the child's fault in general, who ends up disrupting everything.

Unfortunately nowadays more and more blame can be attached to teachers, the restrictions they have to work under is morale destroying, they become very bitter and that shows in the education.

101001101 · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:22

Says photo no longer exists

chippy08 · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:22

From watching the news over the past 3 days i noticed most of the looters are black.

gurusan · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:23

StriderX said:
Id say that, but its usually the child's fault in general, who ends up disrupting everything.

Unfortunately nowadays more and more blame can be attached to teachers, the restrictions they have to work under is morale destroying, they become very bitter and that shows in the education.

I'd lay blame on the useless parents.

JimAroo · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:23

chippy08 said:
From watching the news over the past 3 days i noticed most of the looters are black.

Oh my god, RACIST ALERT.

CliffyBiro · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:23

Heard of fires in Tottenham about an hour ago from a fella on another forum who's an officer for the area.

Craterloads · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:24

Robbo said:
No surprise there then.

Cant think why not :rolleyes:

Mr Jack · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:24

StriderX said:
Id say that, but its usually the child's fault in general, who ends up disrupting everything.

Do you think blame can reasonably be attached to an eleven year old?

Unfortunately nowadays more and more blame can be attached to teachers, the restrictions they have to work under is morale destroying, they become very bitter and that shows in the education.

The whole education system is a complete mess. The basic problem is that education is only possible with the co-operation of the students and parents and an increasingly large proportion of parents have lost all respect for teachers.

StriderX · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:25

Scooteroo said:
Are you speaking historically or during recent times?

I have lived in (north) london for the last 12 years and whilst there has been hot spots of crime (Stabbings, shootings, muggings, burglary) in the "local" area, it has mainly been in the last 5 years or so it has become more frequent.

A recent survey i think, best place to live in the UK apparently, would explain the large amount of people going there from England.

StriderX · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:27

Mr Jack said:
Do you think blame can reasonably be attached to an eleven year old?

The whole education system is a complete mess. The basic problem is that education is only possible with the co-operation of the students and parents and an increasingly large proportion of parents have lost all respect for teachers.

Im not saying eleven year olds, i mean older supposedly more "mature" folk.

But yes parents are a vast problem, lumping kids on the government and expecting perfect results.

E: Damn double post, better slow down then...

The Funktopus · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:28

Marky said:
Take me with you

It's turning into a bloody human tidal wave now. :mad:

Red Porsche · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:28

I think a factor in all of this is that people know they can get away with it. They saw on the first 2 nights that the police couldn't really do much in the way of deterants (ie water cannons rubber bullets). I really do think if the country reacted quicker and in a more aggressive way then people would think twice. If this was any other country i think they would have come down a lot harder! I just think this countrys laws are too soft.

there was loads of footage in TV for petes sake of people looting with complete ease!! The media really didn't help in that regard. What do they expect when there's a population of people who are socially deprived? Its basically an advert to loot! [I saw an episode of screenwipe which mentioned about a similar topic, things that don't help in terms of media exposure etc]

Mr Jack · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:28

Interesting stuff from the Met, specifically this:

Does the law protect me? What is 'reasonable force'?

Anyone can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. You are not expected to make fine judgements over the level of force you use in the heat of the moment. So long as you only do what you honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in self-defence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.

As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.

Do I have to wait to be attacked?

No, not if you are in your own home/business and in fear for yourself or others. In those circumstances the law does not require you to wait to be attacked before using defensive force yourself.

(emphasis mine)

Danthus · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:29

chippy08 said:
From watching the news over the past 3 days i noticed most of the looters are black.

JimAroo said:
Oh my god, RACIST ALERT.

What part of what chippy08 said is incorrect?

You are not racist for stating that the majority of offender over the past days were black.

You would be a racist in my opinion if you said they offend because they are black.

Many people can make that distinction.

Craterloads · 10 Aug 2011 at 01:30

Red Porsche said:
I think a factor in all of this is that people know they can get away with it. They saw on the first 2 nights that the police couldn't really do much in the way of deterants (ie water cannons rubber bullets). I really do think if the country reacted quicker and in a more aggressive way then people would think twice. If this was any other country i think they would have come down a lot harder! I just think this countrys laws are too soft.

there was loads of footage in TV for petes sake of people looting with complete ease!! The media really didn't help in that regard. What do they expect when there's a population of people who are socially deprived? Its basically an advert to loot! [I saw an episode of screenwipe which mentioned about a similar topic, things that don't help in terms of media exposure etc]

Excellent point. Even the prison sentances are not those which will deter. I hope they make an example of these guys like they did with the bradford rioters many years ago.