why are magic mushrooms illegal

Energize said:
There really isn't any scientific evidence supporting the ban.
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looks at comments in this thread.....sees examples of effects (17 hour trips).....draws conclusions on non-scientific testing = drugs are bad m'kay

imagine how damming some controlled scientific testing would be to your argument lol
 
RadoX said:
and as i said you cant divide by zero
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And again your ignoring everything I've said, have you just not read posts or are you just that blinkered your ignoring it.

Again, the risk assessment is made up of many aspects

Death, longterm problems, short term problems, social problems and many many more things.

So again it isn't zero.
But I expect you will just not read this and in two pages time, say yet again you can't divide by zero.
 
dazzerd said:
The question I always ask when these debates come up is what difference does it make? It's not exactly difficult getting hold of any narcotics you want in this country.

Making them legal would just allow the government to keep track of the people who take them and the price would go up no doubt as they would be massively taxed. Think yourslef lucky they're not legal.

All drugs do harm from alcholol to amphets the reason why booze and fags are not illegal is because use of them became normalised well before the Victorians and Edwardians started to legislate on all forms of human behaviour.

You guys who want them to be legal should be careful what you wish for as if you're paranoid now about the way the government works you'll be more paranoid if the gov legalises them and you have to sign a drug users register.
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If you hadn't noticed alcohol is cheap and plentiful and you don't have to sign a drug users register. So those ideas are not founded in reality.

mrk1@1 said:
looks at comments in this thread.....sees examples of effects (17 hour trips).....draws conclusions on non-scientific testing = drugs are bad m'kay

imagine how damming some controlled scientific testing would be to your argument lol
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Scientists don't make foolish conclusions based on grossly exaggerated ancedotal evidence, or rather in this case, what someone said on the internet.
 
Energize said:
Scientists don't make foolish conclusions based on grossly exaggerated ancedotal evidence, or rather in this case, what someone said on the internet.
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so you are denying the effects people are posting about from either observed or first hand experience then are valid observations, or have i interpreted this wrong?
 
mrk1@1 said:
so you are denying the effects people are posting about from either observed or first hand experience then are valid observations, or have i interpreted this wrong?
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No I am not denying first hand experience (though most of those stories on the internet are probably made up), however that does not provide any kind of argument for prohibiting drugs given the context of our society.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Death, longterm problems, short term problems, social problems and many many more things.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a good few recreational drugs would rank similar to extreme sports with the above criteria.

In fact, extreme sports probably have a smaller user-base and a higher mortality rate and higher general cost to the NHS.

So why is it that actions or activities can be legal with the responsibility falling on those partaking in them, whilst the choice of taking a chemical is not?
 
How would extreme sports score highly on social problems or problems cause by disatachment to reality while under the influence.

Again where is nhs and deaths the only basis.

Isn't things. Like base jumping also illegal.
 
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krooton said:
I wouldn't be surprised if a good few recreational drugs would rank similar to extreme sports with the above criteria.

In fact, extreme sports probably have a smaller user-base and a higher mortality rate and higher general cost to the NHS.
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to be fair based on nhs costs football should be banned :p
 
Energize said:
No I am not denying first hand experience (though most of those stories on the internet are probably made up), however that does not provide any kind of argument for prohibiting drugs given the context of our society.
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but you are accepting the internet posted evidence from people saying there are no ill effects or they have done them no harm, live and let live etc and they should be legalised?
 
AcidHell2 said:
How would extreme sports score highly on social problems or problems cause by disatachment to reality while under the influence.

Again where is nhs and deaths the only basis.
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Because we cannot judge something based on social problems with no idea what those problems are we cannot use past data because it's impossible to tell the extent that prohibition has actually had in CREATING the social problems surrounding drugs.

Heck if we're banning things based on social problems we've got lots of stuff to ban from tv shows to music to clubs to religion and sport (seriously want to tell me football causes no social problems?) or more simply we could just ban people but that might not be the best vote winner.
 
Tefal said:
Because we cannot judge something based on social problems with no idea what those problems are we cannot use past data because it's impossible to tell the extent that prohibition has actually had in CREATING the social problems surrounding drugs.

Heck if we're banning things based on social problems we've got lots of stuff to ban from tv shows to music to clubs to religion and sport (seriously want to tell me football causes no social problems?) or more simply we could just ban people but that might not be the best vote winner.
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Of course we have data, like length of highs and what it does to you and the impact of that on society. There is nothing stopping us using Old data or data from other countries.

And again it isn't social problems on it's own. It is the combination of the entire risk assessment and the fact ultimately it is deemed bad for society as a whole.
All anyone ever does in these threads, is show why alcohol and tobacco should be banned, rather than why other drugs should be legalised.
And governments are trying very hard to get people of tobacco and to a lesser extent alcohol. But they bring in huge revenue which if banned over night would cripple the country.
 
Whilst normally firmly on the side of greater librelisation of the drugs laws (despite not indulging myself) after seeing the correlation between those that have taken hallucinogenic drugs and those that believe in conspiracy theories maybe keeping them banned is a good idea? :D
 
It's silly to compare them to alcohol and tobacco, the amount of people that use alcohol and tobacco are massive in comparison, so figures aren't going to be fair.

Illegal substances cause enough problems without everyone trying them and 'tripping', causing god knows how many problems.
 
mrk1@1 said:
but you are accepting the internet posted evidence from people saying there are no ill effects or they have done them no harm, live and let live etc and they should be legalised?
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No, studies in science journals.

AcidHell2 said:
How would extreme sports score highly on social problems or problems cause by disatachment to reality while under the influence.
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Not an extreme sport but the social issues caused by some football footmatches are outstanding.

Robbo said:
It's silly to compare them to alcohol and tobacco, the amount of people that use alcohol and tobacco are massive in comparison, so figures aren't going to be fair.
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How are figures based on relative use ie % of users, unfair?
 
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Zefan said:
The issue is that with alcohol you can feel yourself getting drunk, and most people can choose to stop before they have too much. It's a choice thing to drink more, and if you do something stupid because you're drunk then it's your responsibility because you should've stopped drinking before losing control.

Other drugs aren't quite so easy to control, once consumed that's it, you're on that trip whether you like it or not. That's why they are more dangerous.
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I read till someone stated my opinion, didn't bother reading any more, no need. Zefan's spot on.
Plus with mushrooms if you do overdo it, it's not like you'll just have a hangover to nurse the next day, you're quite likely to have a complex leap out of your closet and to the forefront of your mind for a very long time.
I don't believe they should be illegal though, I think there's a place for them provided they're enjoyed sensibly. But that'll never happen in today's risk-management based society.
 
AcidHell2 said:
All anyone ever does in these threads, is show why alcohol and tobacco should be banned, rather than why other drugs should be legalised.
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Surely you know plenty of people who can enjoy alcohol in moderation? More so then people that overdo it all the time?

Why should they be denied something that is fine in moderation?

Just because something can have a negative impact on things in certain circumstances, that doesn't really warrant it being banned.

An unhealthy diet and lack of exercise have a greater overall impact on a person's life than some recreational drugs. Do we ban unhealthy food and being lazy? No, we try to educate. Same can't be said for those evil baby-eating drugs.
 
Eating is kind of essential, drugs are not.

From a personal point of view I would actually like to see all drugs legalised. Infect doing a shaman ritual is on my todo list.
However society isn't about individuals, it is about how we all work together. From that aspect I can not see how drugs can be allowed. Especially in modern society with everyone suing each other and accidents don't happen, it's always someone fault.

Oh and again it's not one thing which makes something's nene and others not. It is a combination of many many factors. Although I do believe that one of the biggest factors in modern society, is how the high works, how long the high lasts and how controllable it is.
 
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