AMD Bulldozer Finally!

[opethdisciple]

If there's no IPC increase, it's still a pointless CPU.

If there's no IPC increase, then it is indeed useless, but who said there was no increase?

 

[kylew]

That's my point, they wont?

1100T is £150 on ocuk ($189 in states). The FX-8100 could easily end up at that.

Whoops! Sorry I thought you'd said 8120.

 

[Martini1991]

If there's no IPC increase, then it is indeed useless, but who said there was no increase?

Oh, I'm just replying to a hypothetical situation.
Compare an 1100T and FX6100 at the same clock, the result will surprise you.
To which he said "IT'S NOT 6 REAL CORES, NOT A FAIR COMPARISON"

 

[psychas]

so they share cashe or other parts , well we not sure how it performs but if its dire, would it not be better as its now 32 nm stick another 2 phenom cores on top 6core ,mature the process even more and higher clocks that way it cores would not need to share anything or i am missing something

 

[Gashman]

If they sit in the same price bracket, comparing isn't pointless at all.

hasn't stopped all the 'Phenom II' is worthless, pointless and useless posts flying all over the place like missiles on here. even though in terms of default frequencies (99.9% of the world!) they are perfectly competitive in a price/performance battle with their Intel counter-parts. so obviously the comparison is indeed pointless, too many people have already made up their own minds about things and one can say whatever they want, it won't change the opinions of the vast majority of people here...

at the end of the day the only (literally!) comparison that matters is price/performance, because in the eyes of these companies we are meaningless and don't even really qualify as a market, so for that very reason Phenom II as an example is perfectly fine processor even though we get told to avoid it like the plague. as long as Bulldozer competes at a higher level than Phenom II does at a competitive price it is a success. also dude nothing in this post is directed toward you (kylew), was just trying to make the point that comparison is irrelevant because minds have already been made!

 

[Martini1991]

A module does 80% scaling as per AMD's slide.
So, imagine the first thread on a module is the same IPC as a lynfield, the second thread could be the same IPC as Callisto (Phenom II)

It could be better, it could be worse.
Given those "performance slides" it'll looking more like, first thread X% faster than Callisto, second thread slower than Callisto.

 

[Trunks9486]

If there's no IPC increase, it's still a pointless CPU.

Well to be fair, if there is no IPC improvement but the architecture scales better (i.e higher clocks) then its still better.

The real problem seems to be that there will be an IPC decrease and the clocks will not scale enough to match the performance of Sandy at stock clocks of Sandy (2600K).

Thus only two things matter. How high BD will clock and, a lesser factor for most here, how efficiently its going to scale in relation to power.

 

[Final8y]

I know exactly what you're talking about, stop being pedantic.

For what it's worth, I've asked a mod to delete the lot. So leave off.

There is nothing pedantic about it, because you have not removed the quote which you can do yourself, and yet you say you understand such a simple task.
Pedantic would be me then having a go at you after you had removed it.

 

[opethdisciple]

I doubt BD will have reduced IPC as a Phenom 2. (If thats what your comparing too)

If that was the case, then the chip would be more or less useless on the desktop and would be better suited to server work.

So in that sense, I cant see it being true.

 

[kylew]

There is nothing pedantic about it, because you have not removed the quote which you can do yourself, and yet you say you understand such a simple task.

Come on, stop it now you're making a show of yourself, and I genuinely mean it with the best of intentions.

 

[Martini1991]

I doubt BD will have reduced IPC as a Phenom 2. (If thats what your comparing too)

If that was the case, then the chip would be more or less useless on the desktop and would be better suited to server work.

So in that sense, I cant see it being true.

The facts are the Module scaling is 80% from 1 thread to 2 threads.
Those figures indicate, oh wait, it's lower than Deneb.

Not saying it's true, just going on what's there.

 

[Gashman]

ha! we got 167 of random speculations, arguments and counter arguments, the 'release date' has came and passed TWICE! and still we are no closer to really understanding how Bulldozer will perform, am I the only one who thinks that is shockingly amusing? considering I bought an AM3+ board to replace my ageing Q6600 (haven't got round to changing signature yet!) with a nice shiny new Bulldozer processor, got so bored waiting around I got a second hand 1055T.

To say the least gentlemen this thread has divided the forum completely, we've had the Intel side defending the faith, we've had the AMD side trying to fight back the literal tidal wave of negativity from the Intel clan and we've had the neutrals who have been caught in the biggest *censored* storm I have seen on this forum in a long long time! just wish AMD would release the bleeding processor already so we can all die happy knowing we were either right and get all uptight about it or wrong and drop our heads in shame!

 

[Final8y]

Come on, stop it now you're making a show of yourself, and I genuinely mean it with the best of intentions.

I had stopped beforehand, his last post was not needed and says one things while doing the opposite of what he said.

Back up his talk with his actions which he has not done.

As for making a show of myself is not something that i fear as long as people understand not to pigeon hole with the assumptions and common intentions of others, which happens all the time.

 

[Jokester]

Yeah, it sounds like they're aiming to make up the difference and more with higher clock rates. Netburst here we come!

Roll on October 12th for some real info.

 

[kylew]

I had stopped beforehand, his last post was not needed and says one things while doing the opposite of what he said.

Back up his talk with his actions which he has not done.

As for making a show of myself is not something that i fear as long as people understand not to pigeon hole me because of the assumptions and common intentions of others, which happens all the time.

Honestly, I think it was coming across really badly from the beginning. I don't think any one really quite understands what you were going on with.

I don't think your reaction was at all warranted or justified.

 

[Sayso]

So, BD is an improvement, or isn't an improvement?
The 6100FX will still be called a hexcore.
Compare it to a 1090T, whatever, or a 1055T. If there's no IPC increase, it's still a pointless CPU.

I can't believe that people are bringing in the whole "IT'S NOT 6 REAL CORES" because BD isn't going to perform as they expected.

Got to say i agree, if the 6 core/3 module BD isn't better than a X6 then it is pointless but if it sells at a cheaper price point still makes it a viable option.
For me if it wasn't for some incredibly bad dealings with Intel and some great ones with AMD (that has made up my mind about what manufacturer i will use until the anger resides) i would already have a 2500K in my rig and wouldn't be reading this massive thread of crap everyday seeing if anything has been leaked.

 

[Final8y]

Honestly, I think it was coming across really badly from the beginning. I don't think any one really quite understands what you were going on with.

I don't think your reaction was at all warranted or justified.

I'm asking him to remove the quote, regardless how it came across and its that simple. if that was done then nothing more would have been said

I don't expect others to understand me personally, most people don't until they know me first hand and see the results for them self, once they do understand a small portion they then admit to the fact that they simply do not have the will power.

 

[Martini1991]

I'm asking him to remove the quote, regardless how it came across and its that simple. if that was done then nothing more would have been said

I don't expect others to understand me personally, most people don't until they know me first hand and see the results for them self, once they do understand a small portion they then admit to the fact that they simply do not have the will power.

Are you having a forum breakdown?

 

[Sayso]

Are you having a forum breakdown?

Hehe seems like it.

 

[Final8y]

Are you having a forum breakdown?

You will be ignored in regards to this discussion.