Amanda Knox and her Ex found guilty of the Murder of Medredith Kercher

Wicksta · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:31

gambitt said:
The Knox prosecution, overseen by Mignini, had problems from the beginning. Knox claimed that Italian authorities interviewed her for a grueling 53 hours over four days.

An Italian Supreme Court reportedly upheld her claims, saying police did not read Knox her legal rights, appoint her a lawyer or even provide an interpreter in Italian.

I just read this for the first time. 53 hours in 4 days No wonder she was making up false stories!

I think 'claimed' is the operative word here. She 'claimed' a lot of things that Amanda Knox didn't she, some of which (mainly the incriminating bits) she changed her mind on.

gambitt · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:32

What about the part where her claims were upheld in an Italian Supreme Court?

Von Smallhausen · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:32

wildman said:
why, if Knox et. al. have been proven not to be involved why should they give the Kerchers anything ? Seriously if I had spent a few years in an Italian nick for something I never did, I;d take all the money I could get and run.

thats a serious question also and not a troll post....

Would you not want to make good any doubt ?

I would want to meet the Kerchers at the very least if I were innocent. I couldn't not make the effort at the very least if I had a clear conscience although that's just me.

I'm nit implying that ms Knox is guilty. I simply don't know the full ins and outs of the case but there is a rabbit away with the whole thing somewhere.

dowie · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:33

gambitt said:
I just read this for the first time. 53 hours in 4 days No wonder she was making up false stories!

She was apparently not aware that she was a murder suspect initially (yes a failing on the part of the Police) but I don't see how this would logically lead to making up stories after your supposed friend/flatmate had just been killed. She changed her story several times and allowed an innocent man to be falsely arrested/improsoned - not much excuse for that tbh...

She did have a lawyer present for most of that time and yet still stuck with her initial BS story.

gambitt · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:38

dowie said:
She was apparently not aware that she was a murder suspect initially (yes a failing on the part of the Police) but I don't see how this would logically lead to making up stories after your supposed friend/flatmate had just been killed. She changed her story several times and allowed an innocent man to be falsely arrested/improsoned - not much excuse for that tbh...

It wouldn't be the first time someone has made a false confession. Lumubma's name could've come up innocently at first but a young girl in foreign country, only speaking basic Italian at the time being grilled by incompetent (since they denied her a lawyer and interpreter) police could've easily been coaxed into telling them what they wanted to hear. Stranger things have happened and clearly excusable in my opinion.

Wicksta · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:39

dowie said:
She changed her story several times and allowed an innocent man to be falsely arrested/improsoned - not much excuse for that tbh...

Hardly the actions of a poor, scared, innocent, naive little girl as some people are trying to portray her as.

dowie · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:39

gambitt said:
It wouldn't be the first time someone has made a false confession. Lumubma's name could've come up innocently at first but a young girl in foreign country, only speaking basic Italian at the time being grilled by incompetent (since they denied her a lawyer and interpreter) police could've easily been coaxed into telling them what they wanted to hear. Stranger things have happened and clearly excusable in my opinion.

Now you're just speculating tbh...

She didn't have a lawyer for the first 12 or 14 hours etc...

You've just posted that she was questioned for 53 hours over 4 days...

She repeated the allegations in a written statement and the innocent man was locked up for a a couple of weeks and only freed after a swiss businesman who'd been drinking with him that night read the story by chance and came forward

Scuppering the investigation alone is enough for the victims family not to be too happy about knox - but there is also plenty of circumstantial evidence, some (disputed) DNA evidence and the the fact that she has lied several times and still not come up with a credible story...

There isn't enough evidence to convict her but there is certainly a lot that would point towards her having had some involvement - so yes I think the family are quite right to be upset.

Yaayuh! · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:41

I'm happy with the outcome. After reading the articles, wiki and some US crime site, sifting through the rubbish and bias info, i can't see why Knox was even convicted tbh.
Though she does have to pay 22,000 euros in compensation. Though, if wrongly accused, if anything, shouldn't she get the money? not the other way around? Eitehr way it's a small price to pay i suppose lol

gambitt · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:44

dowie said:
Now you're just speculating tbh...

Oh I see, and you aren't speculating at all because you knew exactly what took place in that room, yes?

dowie · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:48

gambitt said:
Oh I see, and you aren't speculating at all because you knew exactly what took place in that room, yes?

erm thats right - I'm not speculating as to what might have happened... I'm simply putting forward the position that its likely she was involved there is plenty to suggest that she was involved but I wouldn't go so far as to speculate as to what extent or to say that she is certainly guilty etc...

Azza · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:50

Oh my godddd Sky News is so so poor.

gambitt · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:50

dowie said:
erm thats right - I'm not speculating as to what might have happened... I'm simply putting forward the position that its likely she was involved there is plenty to suggest that she was involved but I wouldn't go so far as to speculate as to what extent or to say that she is certainly guilty etc...

I'm simply putting forward the position that its likely

Almost a dictionary definition of speculation...

Castiel · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:56

dowie said:
erm thats right - I'm not speculating as to what might have happened... I'm simply putting forward the position that its likely she was involved there is plenty to suggest that she was involved but I wouldn't go so far as to speculate as to what extent or to say that she is certainly guilty etc...

No, you are speculating that she was likely involved by your interpretation of her reasons for lying. It is also perfectly reasonable to suggest that much of the circumstantial evidence is circumstantial because it is speculative or forced under extreme pressure and circumstances, a position supported by the Italian Supreme Court.

Cosimo · 4 Oct 2011 at 14:58

Castiel said:
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OT. Your name has returned. Was it on holiday?

dowie · 4 Oct 2011 at 15:00

gambitt said:
I'm simply putting forward the position that its likely

Almost a dictionary definition of speculation...

Well I'm speculating that its likely if you like....

I'm not making any speculation as to what might have happened as per your previous post.

Castiel · 4 Oct 2011 at 15:00

simulatorman said:
OT. Your name has returned. Was it on holiday?

Aye, a short break is all.

wildman · 4 Oct 2011 at 15:09

Von Smallhausen said:
Would you not want to make good any doubt ?

I would want to meet the Kerchers at the very least if I were innocent. I couldn't not make the effort at the very least if I had a clear conscience although that's just me.

I'm nit implying that ms Knox is guilty. I simply don't know the full ins and outs of the case but there is a rabbit away with the whole thing somewhere.

If I am being honest I would not want to make anything good. If I was innocent and had been professing my innocence and got locked up anyway, the last people I would want to make anyting good with would be the victims family. if anything they should be making things good with me

Wicksta · 4 Oct 2011 at 15:11

I think I've heard it all now.

Castiel · 4 Oct 2011 at 15:14

wildman said:
If I am being honest I would not want to make anything good. If I was innocent and had been professing my innocence and got locked up anyway, the last people I would want to make anyting good with would be the victims family. if anything they should be making things good with me

It is hardly any more the fault of the Kerchers than it is of Knox's and Sollecito's.

The people on this sorry state of affairs that should be held to account are the Italian Police and particularly the prosecution and those leading the investigation.

Meridian · 4 Oct 2011 at 16:18

NathWraith said:
Guede needs to spill what really happened that night then, as it stands he is the sole killer. If he is innocent or was other parties involved then he needs to speak.

He got fourteen years knocked off his sentence for implicating the other two. Why on earth would he want to say anything now? And what are the odds it would be the truth?

This whole saga seems to be down to one bent Prosecuter with delusions of grandeur. As I understand it, he decided right from the outset that it was an inside job, and due to some bizarre idea that must involve sex. Even when the traces of a known violent drug user were found in the house he wouldn't budge from that position. A man already being investigated for fabricating evidence when he was put in charge.

And a quick word about glass. Assuming that the story of the glass being found on top of disturbed clothing is true (and lord knows much of the "evidence" seems to be made up) then to point out the mildly obvious: the glass fragments do not necessarily have to have come directly from the window. As an example, they may have landed on (say) a table, then been displaced onto the clothing at a later stage by the perp rummaging. The evidence would look the same.

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