What direction would people like the FPS market to go?
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Have you ever watched a competitive Quake match? Any tournament play?
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He's a troll because you don't agree with him? I don't agree with you but i'm not going to call you a troll.
You say BF3 Rush has more to think about. Great but it's so ****ing slow paced and boring.
Give me a fast paced shooter any day. Even COD in it's current state is more fun than BF3 because it doesn't take 10 mins to hike to an objective and then you get snipered when you get there so you have to hike all the way to it again. Yawn.
How about you explain for those who don't have 20 mins to watch a video?
The video is a very good example because the player says exactly what he's thinking and doing during a high level duel.
It would take me much longer than 20 mins to explain and I also don't have time. But basically, these are the aspects; Movement (circle jumps, strafe jumping, rocket jumping, plasma climbing, chain jumping, etc), Weapons (Aim, weapon control, weapon choice, positioning, etc), Strategy, Map control, Timing (of item re spawns, usually multiple items at once)
And more that I can't think of off the top of my head
Basically it's way more complex than any FPS, even if it may not look it edit: This is a good full "explanation"; http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?1667-Quake-Live-Duel-Guide
An important thing I missed out was dodging
Also here's a video to show you that movement is not simply "bunny hopping"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOffE5_k2f0
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Class limitations. I think FPS would benefit from having a limited number of slots for certain kits, snipers especially. For instance, in an FPS set in the modern era, I'd also like to see a crewman class brought in for vehicles and aircraft. Being the only class in the game able to fly or drive vehicles, they're balanced out by having limited personal weapons, such as a pistol or a personal defence weapon like an MP-7 or P-90 with limited ammo and no body armour.
I'd also want to see an end to perks and unlocks. BF3 for example has become outright hostile to newcomers. Take the recon kit for example. You try going head to head with another sniper, when you have a vanilla MK.11 Mod 0 or an SVD against a level 3000 under l33t sniper, who has an L-96 with a bi-pod, a straight pull bolt and a higher powered scope. Unless you get the jump on him, you don't stand a chance. Numerous times I've got the first shot on target, which doesn't do enough damage for a one shot kill, only for the other sniper to turn round, see me now highlighted now that I've attacked him, and then blow me away with a highpowered rifle, dripping in accessories that weight the contest so heavily in his favour you may as well not bother playing recon. I mean having to unlock something a simple as a bipod? What the ****!?
I'd also want to see an end to perks and unlocks. BF3 for example has become outright hostile to newcomers. Take the recon kit for example. You try going head to head with another sniper, when you have a vanilla MK.11 Mod 0 or an SVD against a level 3000 under l33t sniper, who has an L-96 with a bi-pod, a straight pull bolt and a higher powered scope. Unless you get the jump on him, you don't stand a chance. Numerous times I've got the first shot on target, which doesn't do enough damage for a one shot kill, only for the other sniper to turn round, see me now highlighted now that I've attacked him, and then blow me away with a highpowered rifle, dripping in accessories that weight the contest so heavily in his favour you may as well not bother playing recon. I mean having to unlock something a simple as a bipod? What the ****!?
No, I'm not implying that at all. No more than Scott implied that Battlefield was unskilled by saying that he wants games to be "more skill based like Quake 3, less like Battlefield[sic]", I'm sure.
But its fairly obvious that the main skill in games like Quake is your ability to outmanoeuvre and out-aim your opponent quickly and accurately. I'm not saying that's the only skill, just using that as an example. I should make it clear, I have nothing against players who enjoy such game. To each his own, I just look for something different in games.
Battlefield might have a different play style, and it might be easier to kill opponents but I hate the implication that because of this, the game somehow requires less "skill". That was kind of my point, not an attack on you.
EDIT: Just saw your other post after I typed that...
See? You jump on me the moment you think Im saying that Quake relies on mouse speed skills alone, yet you're happy to imply gamer's who play games different form Quake are unskilled? Hence, back to my original summation about there being more to skill than what you define.
Also: "realism does not equal fun" - in your opinion. Many people enjoy a more realistic gamestyle and find that fun themselves, who are you to say otherwise? Who are you to deride other players as less skilled, when in actual fact, there gamestyle they prefer just calls for a different set of skills?
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Yes skill based, offtopic, but what is with that last weapon in Q4, the Napalm Launcher it seems a bit wimpy?
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I'm not saying people who play Battlefield are unskilled lol. But can you tell me if Battlefield has a competitive scene? With leagues and tournaments?
Quake 4 doesn't count.
I honestly don't know. I imagine it wouldn't have a 1vs1 ladder or anything, but clan leagues probably. Why, should that matter?
This.
COD and COD2 were the most fun and kept me coming back. It came down to skill and tactics not whos got the best perk setup. I want to know that if I go toe to toe with someone and we both have the same gun its going to come down to either skill or luck - nothing else
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What is "twitch gaming"? Fast paced?
Please educate yourself;
That looks awful. Im happy that online gaming isnt like this at the moment. The only things that stood out for me was, bunny hoping and running in circles.
ok, well if you couldn't be bothered to listen to what they were saying, go ahead and read this article: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?1667-Quake-Live-Duel-Guide
Then watch this video about strafe jumping. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOffE5_k2f0
It's a lost cause though, there will always be people who take one look at Quake and think "The graphics look old, this game looks rubbish" without evening considering the gameplay. Want good graphics? Go outside, or watch a movie.
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More like Quake 3 / CS 1.6 / CSS.
Perks, Killstreaks have killed games cause people always find a way to glitch the game e.g you can use the damage weapon proficiency from a shotgun in MW3 and apply it to any other gun.
Take away XP aswell, pointless, doesn't make me want to keep playing the game, just bores the crap out of me waiting to unlock a certain gun.
Majority of people care about k/d these days and tbh it doesn't mean anything compared to win / loss.
I do dabble in MW3 and BF3 not going to lie, but I mainly play gears of war 3 now on the 360 and the odd mmo / rpg on the PC.
The last FPS I enjoyed was CoD4 it had its annoyances like martydom and I know it had XP etc but it wasn't the mess the other CoDs are these days.
Perks, Killstreaks have killed games cause people always find a way to glitch the game e.g you can use the damage weapon proficiency from a shotgun in MW3 and apply it to any other gun.
Take away XP aswell, pointless, doesn't make me want to keep playing the game, just bores the crap out of me waiting to unlock a certain gun.
Majority of people care about k/d these days and tbh it doesn't mean anything compared to win / loss.
I do dabble in MW3 and BF3 not going to lie, but I mainly play gears of war 3 now on the 360 and the odd mmo / rpg on the PC.
The last FPS I enjoyed was CoD4 it had its annoyances like martydom and I know it had XP etc but it wasn't the mess the other CoDs are these days.
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Yes, because I'm only into competitive fps games now. Otherwise it's boring.
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Totally agree with this.
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IOn CS dont you win money and buy new guns each round? thats not much different to a kill streak reward...
And glitches/bugs in the game are un fortunate but not a reason to not what perks in a game epr se, just executed properly.