Worse job advert ever?

ash_scotland88

ash_scotland88

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What a prenticious, self rightious employee. I can't beleive that the recruitment agency allowed such an advert.

http://www.s1jobs.com/job/glasgow/engineering-technical/design-cad-drafting/438799968.html


From my job hunting experience this is also under paid and anyone with this experience is generally more than an "apprentice".

Should we OCuk'd the advert?
Just realised, the name Mario sounds familar. Who was the name of the guido with the marketing company of the specialist games controller? Reads like his style of work.
 
Unfortunately that is what is meant by "there are jobs out there" statement. That is not a job, that is a joke.
 
HNC/HND isn't a degree, that suggests either people that failed their 3rd year, or those that only went in for that qualification. Seems like a perfectly good application to me. He needs to make his ad stand out just as much as the people applying need to make themselves stand out tbh.
 
Tbh in this age of unemployment some of the job adverts you see make me lulz with the combination of ridiculous minimum requirements and stupidly low pay :p

If I had a quid for every thing ad that said:

Office Dogsbody:

Required to make cups of tea, filing, photocopying

MINIMUM:
College Degree
5 years experience in professional workplace

Pay:
5 quid an hour

:p
 
Wow, as a cadmonkey, myself, that's what I started out on as a trainee and that was with NO experience other than a bit of faffing about with AutoCAD.
Much of the time I was 'folding drawings' or 'plotting drawings' or 'framing drawings'. Not much actual drawing to begin with.

But that is a truly crappy advert. The going rate for a trainee at most of the large firms near me was 17k basic (about ten years ago)
I started out with less in my first cad job to get my foot in the door. And that's exactly what this ad is taking advantage of.

Tbh, I'm half tempted to contact mario and tell him what a dick he and his advert is.
1-2 years of experience with some pretty specialised software and all he's prepared to offer is a maximum of 16k? :mad:
I hope he gets some guy who knows CAD as a user. It's about all that advert deserves.

Never mind about the 'secure lifelong career' BS - no such thing in the construction industry these days, even with relevant experience or qualifications.
But this is the kind of crap that's offered as a 'good' job these days....
 
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I've emailed the owner of James Gray Associates with a complaint about the tone of the advert. Feel free to email too with your industry complaints. Sad I know but I was pretty enraged.

jumpy is your email in trust? I may send an email your way. I'm applying for an apprenticeship and currently doing homework of wages as so far there's been no mention. Hopefully with some homework done I could perhaps negogiate a rate if I feel what they're offering would be too low.
 
lowrider007 said:
I don't know 1 person that earns 16k down here, I'd love to earn that kind of money.
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That's the wage of a cadmonkey's cadmonkey TBH.

desires said:
HNC/HND isn't a degree, that suggests either people that failed their 3rd year, or those that only went in for that qualification. Seems like a perfectly good application to me. He needs to make his ad stand out just as much as the people applying need to make themselves stand out tbh.
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No, it's not a degree. It is still a good qualification, and one that's got me in a good position employed as a design engineer on quite a bit more than that job is offering! Mario is taking the proverbial, but someone will snap that job up no doubt. There's no way I'd go for such a low wage with a HNC/D. I think the only people worth so little are those with no industry experience, and as you say - dropped out of uni and were handed a lesser qualification than a degree. But then that's pushing it somewhat.
 
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danza said:
That's the wage of a cadmonkey's cadmonkey TBH.



No, it's not a degree. It is still a good qualification, and one that's got me in a good position employed as a design engineer on quite a bit more than that job is offering! Mario is taking the proverbial, but someone will snap that job up no doubt. There's no way I'd go for such a low wage with a HNC/D. I think the only people worth so little are those with no industry experience, and as you say - dropped out of uni and were handed a lesser qualification than a degree. But then that's pushing it somewhat.
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Well I looked at it because I thought low wage = no experience.
 
ash_scotland88 said:
I've emailed the owner of James Gray Associates with a complaint about the tone of the advert. Feel free to email too with your industry complaints. Sad I know but I was pretty enraged.

jumpy is your email in trust? I may send an email your way. I'm applying for an apprenticeship and currently doing homework of wages as so far there's been no mention. Hopefully with some homework done I could perhaps negogiate a rate if I feel what they're offering would be too low.
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np.
Ideally, with a little experience behind you, eg. City & Guilds in AutoCAD (2d, 3d wireframe, 3d solids etc) and some actual job time to get really proficient with the software or a particular discipline (3-6 months up to a year) you should be able to charge at least £7-9ph for agency contract work.
My last decent rate doing contract work was about £11-12ph plus expenses.
If you have a specific qualification, say engineering or design speciality, then the minimum should be something in the region of 22k+ but that's scraping the barrel somewhat, if you ask me.

If you're going for agency work, chances are you'll never be anywhere long enough to really get a feel for the job. You'll gain some useful experience, but it won't do much for your career learning prospects, playing catch-up to someone else's irreparably damaged X-ref directory, shoddy drawing office standards, or worse, will be pretty much the norm lol.

If you're a novice, then be prepared to accept whatever you get offered (so long as you can sustain it) to gain a bit of on the job time, then ditch it for something with better pay and prospects.
If you can haz CAD skillz don't be too far tempted by anything less than 15k - though you'll find plenty of firms offering min wage for 'monkey see, monkey do' stuff.
In a nutshell - 12-16k = no skillz and needs the money or the time on the job.
17-20k - haz the skills but not super qualified (like design engineer etc).
20k + = some sort of design/engineering/architectural qualification, add decent experience to that and your probably looking more towards 23-25k, with a full on engineer looking at 30-40k +

That's my rough overview of it.

I still say that the level of remuneration that 'mario' wants for the experience he's requested, is derisory to say the least.
 
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