Benefits cheats - do you know any?

wildman said:
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^^ hmmm. There is an argument that I'm sure has been mentioned somewhere here about the tax payer getting fleeced themselves.

I guess some folk are happy that some of it gets clawed back into the common persons pockets.


So even though in my opinion I think the guy concerned is just a work shy layabout that's using depression as a cover for just being bone idle I'm not allow to express that, I could be completely wrong of course, after all it only my opinion.
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Yes, and yes you could be totally wrong, while having no idea about depression and all it's forms. If this person genuienly has depression worse enough to stop him from working and not working keeps him from being so depressed that he is really damaged by it, hurts himself, potentially could commit scuicide etc and w-evar. I for one am glad that we live in a society that looks after him, plus I'm glad that instead of being like that he is stable enough to go out and have a drink in the pub.

Maybe you should talk to him one day about it so you could start to form an educated opinion on the matter? Instead of presuming something?
 
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HEADRAT said:
So even though in my opinion I think the guy concerned is just a work shy layabout that's using depression as a cover for just being bone idle I'm not allow to express that, I could be completely wrong of course, after all it only my opinion.
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I thought you said it was just a flippant comment and not a judgement? That sounds rather like a judgement from somebody who is, by his own admission, clueless about the subject.
 
El Capitano said:
I thought you said it was just a flippant comment and not a judgement? That sounds rather like a judgement from somebody who is, by his own admission, clueless about the subject.
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Quite frankly this is ridiculous, we all make judgements on people/situations every day of the week without being in possession of all the facts (especially when those facts aren't available). We use our judgement to come to our own opinions on most things in life, this is no exception, obviously you opinions may differ from mine that's doesn't mean I can't express them.

The very evident flippant part of the post including emoticons

HEADRAT said:
I don't like it much either but some of us just "get on with it" ;)
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I think it pretty clear this was a light hearted/flippant comment.

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Actually some of us reserve judgement of other people if we don't know any of the facts other than what we might see on the surface.

It is practically a waste of time and energy because, well lets face it it's pretty pointless and what often leads to many injustices in the world.


Edit: Informed, educated opinions are much better do you think? Take the OP for example, we have no idea if the OP has all the facts or not. As I mentioned in my first post, it does not matter if the guy in question spends most of his time at his G/F house if he himself has another place that he pays rent, council tax, bills on etc...

...Without the facts, how can he be judged properly?
 
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In the grand scheme of things, I can think of worse things. Don't get me wrong it's not desirable or right, but I think that a fair few people will use it as an incentive to spring board onto bigger and better things.

The few that chose to eek out an existance or welcome to do so, as I can't imagine it being particularly satisfying!
 
shadesofgrey said:
...Without the facts, how can he be judged properly?
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So you can only ever come to an opinion if you are in possession of all the facts on any person/situation/subject etc?

You obviously don't have many opinions on anything!

You seem to have come to a very well baked opinion regarding my posts, do you know everything about me?

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So you can only ever come to an opinion if you are in possession of all the facts on any person/situation/subject etc?
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Yeah, I'ld say so, if you want the opinion/judgement to be 'most likely' correct.

I can see where this might be going, I'm no angel, but I do try :)


Edit: I see, sneaky edit confirms suspicion. On that matter I'm judging your post and opinon on what you posted, yes. I'm not judging you as a person man. (like you are with the guy you know)
 
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So you can only ever come to an opinion if you are in possession of all the facts on any person/situation/subject etc?
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But you're not in possession of any of the facts. You know pretty much nothing about depression as a medical condition and I bet you also don't know this guy you talk about particularly well either.
 
shadesofgrey said:
I can see where this might be going, I'm no angel, but I do try :)
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You've changed you're tuned from:-

shadesofgrey said:
Actually some of us reserve judgement of other people if we don't know any of the facts other than what we might see on the surface.
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El Capitano said:
You know pretty much nothing about depression as a medical condition and I bet you also don't know this guy you talk about particularly well either.
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You don't even know the guy I'm talking about, how can you judge!

Do you think nobody uses depression as excuse for long term benefit fraud?

Sorry for the Daily Fail article but there are many many more examples

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uple-unfit-walk-filmed-running-stud-farm.html
 
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Ha, yes, you are right, you win :)


(no I'm not suggesting people don't cheat the system xD but you can be damn sure the system gets all the facts before making a judgement about them)
 
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Only benefits cheats I know are the parents of my friends partner.
I'd report them but they've already been caught, are being made to pay back about 6k and being reassessed.

Somebody must have beaten me to it. Proper scumbags.
 
shadesofgrey said:
Actually some of us reserve judgement of other people if we don't know any of the facts other than what we might see on the surface.

It is practically a waste of time and energy because, well lets face it it's pretty pointless and what often leads to many injustices in the world.


Edit: Informed, educated opinions are much better do you think? Take the OP for example, we have no idea if the OP has all the facts or not. As I mentioned in my first post, it does not matter if the guy in question spends most of his time at his G/F house if he himself has another place that he pays rent, council tax, bills on etc...

...Without the facts, how can he be judged properly?
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Someone else picked up on how I worded the OP regarding facts so apologies for not being overly clear in how I presented it.

Guy pays mortgage on a house and lives there with his g/f.
He tells DHSS he lives somewhere else (mums) and that he rents the house out.
The DHSS are unaware that their is a relationship between the 2 people and his g/f receives benefits to pay for her rent which in turn pays his mortgage.
The DHSS think she lives there on her own.

He lives with g/f who supposedly lives on her own and receives benefits which reflect this. The DHSS are unaware that she lives with a partner who earns approx. 30k. If the DHSS knew of their relationship her benefits would be slashed as it would be up to her partner to support them from his earnings.

Dunno if that helps out or not, explaining things isn't something I shine at. :)
 
Well, that settles things.

If he is genuinely there more often then not and has zero commitments towards the bills etc at his mums then it's a ticking time bomb for them then, as they say, it's not about if you get caught it's about when.
 
robskinner said:
Ignoring the minimum wage angle for now. How much was he getting on benefits to be worse off earning £100 per week?
Or is it that the "extra" he got from earning £100 per week wasn't worth having to work 35 hours for?

Personally I think the benefits are to generous. Before I am stoned to death as a heretic let me quantify

I believe we should all have a minimum standard of living, somewhere acceptable to live, enough food to survive and not be in fuel poverty.
What gets me is that you can have all those things wherever you choose to base yourself in the UK, be that the middle of London or lands end.

IMO if you want to claim that minimum level of living it should have no objection to it being in an area of the governments choice, and the lodgings should be some flats or even converted buildings. Move the unemployed to an area where they have most chance of work. Then every 6 months move them to a new location as they clearly do no have the skills for the location they are currently in.
Obviously some consideration needs to be made to people with children of a schoolable age, those unfit to work due to illness etc that have a supporting family member near by.
Maybe a 6 month inital period where you can live where you want then the process kicks in and to be given these benefits you sign yourself up for relocation.
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13 years ago when i was looking for work i think i got about £25/week from the dole. i was £5/week short on the rent too so i had £20 a week to live on. that includes food and bills. i dont think that is excessive.

of course good scroungers manage to get all kinds of additional benefits and over 25s got double the cash (how fair?!?)
 
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So you've Judged someone, get called up on it, then use the defence of "I don't know what I'm talking about", and then wonder why others think that is unacceptable, then go on to tell others it is unacceptable to judge you because they don't know what they are talking about?

Righto..

Also, we've made the judgement that you make judgements without knowing what you are talking about. Something you have done, and confessed to, in this thread. It's not exactly hard work to accurately judge on that basis.
 
I've been completely honest in this thread, all you've done is derive an agenda in my posts where none existed.

I've judged somebody I know, he's down my local every week sinking a few brews and smoking fags (I know this as I walk past him to go to the toilet, just in case I'm asked how do I know he actually smokes). You seem to be defending somebody that you've never even met!

Do I know that he's not clinically depressed for certain, no I don't. Do I know that he is in fact is clinically depressed, again no I don't. Do I find it hard to empathise with somebody who claims to be depressed but never actually seems anything other than OK to me, yes I do.

On balance in my opinion do I think he's depressed, no I don't but obviously that's not a professional opinion. Do I think it's more likely that given the circumstances he might be a lazy so-and-so, then I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Obviously that makes me a very bad human being.

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then go on to tell others it is unacceptable to judge you because they don't know what they are talking about?
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Surely those wanting to "Live by the Sword" etc.

Let go back to my original post


"Apparently "work" makes him depressed" = FACTUAL, this is what he's told me himself

"I don't like it much either but some of us just "get on with it" = FLIPPANT, hence the emoticons.

I have zero empathy when it comes to people with "depression" = TRUE, I don't have personal empathy, as I've never been depressed

there are many times in my life where I could have probably just curled up with depression (being made redundant 3 times springs to mind) = TRUE, if there was a time in life when I was going to be depressed I guess this would have been it.

I guess luckily I just don't have a "depressive" personality. = TRUE, I do feel lucky that I've never been depressed (therefore people who have are unlucky and I feel sorry for them)



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