Thinking of taking up a martial art...

Banzai_Joe said:
Seriously?
However, if there are no 'rules' in a street fight, the shortest most direct point to pain would be a front kick to the shin.
I'm not sure its allowed in K-1 / MMA type fights, so maybe you aren't taught it, but a kick to the shin can break it and end the fight right there, just imagine the scene; 2 fighters square off a la boxing style, then one shoots a low front kick to the shin...and remember he has boots on. There's no need to telegraph the kick like a thigh shot, which at best is likely to dead leg the opponent and at worse get caught leaving you in trouble.
Knee shot? sure, same result as the shin, but higher, so slightly slower and easier to read.
Military combat can fill in the dirty holes that martial arts can't. :D
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A kick to the shin would be perfectly legal in both MMA and K1. How you can say you have studied martial arts for 24 years and not know this is rather.... surprising.
 
Xordium said:
You really are quite obtuse with your elitism aren't you and quite clearly have not read what I posted but that's a par for you. I seem to remember this thread last time when you called out Castiel for saying the same thing as I have just done. Strangely enough he made the same points as me - an MMA arena wearing gloves within a ruleset and officiated is rather different from what I described. Even just having a sleeve to use as a choke pivot or not makes a massive change in the what is effective and not.
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Funny that in the early days on MMA, when there were no gloves, that Aikido and all these small joint manipulations, eye pokes, shin kicks (which are still legal) didn't rise to the top and wrestling + boxing and Ju Jitsu did.
 
hurfdurf said:
Funny that in the early days on MMA, when there were no gloves, that Aikido and all these small joint manipulations, eye pokes, shin kicks (which are still legal) didn't rise to the top and wrestling + boxing and Ju Jitsu did.
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Go re-read my first post.

You pick up on one thing in someones post or something you think they may have said and then go on a rant about it like some fixated schoolgirl drooling at her new pop-idol rather than reading everything in context. I said Aikido was valid, I advised the OP to do boxing, I started off with wrestling, I am saying that there is a big difference between techniques that are applicable in and out of the ring. Not so hard - eh ...
 
Not to derail the thread but in my area i got a choice of Jui Jitsu and BJJ i know nothing about them or any martial art. I probably have time to do both, but am i better off concentrating on doing one.
 
bakes0310 said:
Not to derail the thread but in my area i got a choice of Jui Jitsu and BJJ i know nothing about them or any martial art. I probably have time to do both, but am i better off concentrating on doing one.
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Actually I believe you would be getting the thread back on track!

If you can afford to do both, financially and time wise, you might as well at least give it a go.
 
Xordium said:
Go re-read my first post.

You pick up on one thing in someones post or something you think they may have said and then go on a rant about it like some fixated schoolgirl drooling at her new pop-idol rather than reading everything in context. I said Aikido was valid, I advised the OP to do boxing, I started off with wrestling, I am saying that there is a big difference between techniques that are applicable in and out of the ring. Not so hard - eh ...
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Your first post was brilliant, bar the point I'm picking up on and fixating on like a schoolgirl drooling at her new pop-idol. Aikido is nonsense and so bad, that if learnt on its own with no other training, could lead to a very bad self defence situation where one is taken aback simply by actually being punched and having his opponent not be compliant, which is pretty much all it would take to render Aikido useless.

I am sure with your extensive background in other martial arts prior, the small things you did pick up in Aikido worked for you, but I can assure you Brazillian Ju Jitsu would have held you in even better stead when it comes to that kind of combat.
 
bakes0310 said:
Not to derail the thread but in my area i got a choice of Jui Jitsu and BJJ i know nothing about them or any martial art. I probably have time to do both, but am i better off concentrating on doing one.
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Link us both schools. If its a Gracie affiliated BJJ school then that should be brilliant for a beginner wanting to learn a martial art and get fit.
 
Xordium said:
You really are quite obtuse with your elitism aren't you and quite clearly have not read what I posted but that's a par for you. I seem to remember this thread last time when you called out Castiel for saying the same thing as I have just done. Strangely enough he made the same points as me - an MMA arena wearing gloves within a ruleset and officiated is rather different from what I described. Even just having a sleeve to use as a choke pivot or not makes a massive change in the what is effective and not.
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So Aikido is fine unless your attacker is wearing a t-shirt?
 
hurfdurf said:
Aikido is nonsense and so bad, that if learnt on its own with no other training, could lead to a very bad self defence situation where one is taken aback simply by actually being punched and having his opponent not be compliant, which is pretty much all it would take to render Aikido useless.

I am sure with your extensive background in other martial arts prior, the small things you did pick up in Aikido worked for you, but I can assure you Brazillian Ju Jitsu would have held you in even better stead when it comes to that kind of combat.
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Your comments have me very intrigued. Have you ever done Aikido before? You seem to be very fixed on it being a nonsensical art?
 
hurfdurf said:
but I can assure you Brazillian Ju Jitsu would have held you in even better stead when it comes to that kind of combat.
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Ok let me exactly explain the situation and it will qualify it better. I enter a room to my left I see a glint, I caught whatever I could grab in the proximity of that glint and span directing the person to the ground and away from me giving my the time and distance to pull my Browning. I could not kick or punch or strike with a forearm in that case as I would not have known where to strike, I could not have thrown as I had things that could snag and I hardly wanted to be going to the floor with someone who had a knife did I and I didn't know where to grab. And that's why I think such techniques have applicability. They enable you to dictate distance which in the UK should ideally be used to leg it. Someone pulls a knife on your with intent you don't see anything at all but the knife everything else is totally blacked out .. you brain just goes ... knife ... knife .... KNIFE.
 
jamief said:
So Aikido is fine unless your attacker is wearing a t-shirt?
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What I consider to be applicable moves from Aikido would revolve around manipulating the digits and the wrist so matters not what they wear ;)

If you mean my sleeve comment then a loose sleeve is like I said a pivot point for plenty of chokes, eg from Judo etc, or can be used as the part to directly actually apply the choke with. But you didn't really want to know that did you.
 
JRY said:
Your comments have me very intrigued. Have you ever done Aikido before? You seem to be very fixed on it being a nonsensical art?
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When you say, have I done Aikido before, do you mean, did I do it for years? No, I went to three or four classes a long time ago, I tried to enjoy it, but it was so stupid I could not.

Edit: I should qualify, 3 were with one class, 1 was with another with me thinking it might just be that specific teacher, it was not, it was exactly the same both places.
 
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Xordium said:
Ok let me exactly explain the situation and it will qualify it better. I enter a room to my left I see a glint, I caught whatever I could grab in the proximity of that glint and span directing the person to the ground and away from me giving my the time and distance to pull my Browning. I could not kick or punch or strike with a forearm in that case as I would not have known where to strike, I could not have thrown as I had things that could snag and I hardly wanted to be going to the floor with someone who had a knife did I and I didn't know where to grab. And that's why I think such techniques have applicability. They enable you to dictate distance which in the UK should ideally be used to leg it. Someone pulls a knife on your with intent you don't see anything at all but the knife everything else is totally blacked out .. you brain just goes ... knife ... knife .... KNIFE.
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Interesting, do you have a video of this manoeuvre?
 
JRY said:
Your comments have me very intrigued. Have you ever done Aikido before? You seem to be very fixed on it being a nonsensical art?
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So nonensical in fact that its founder was heralded as 'osensei' {great master} by most other martial arts masters (his peers so to speak)!

hurfdurf said:
A kick to the shin would be perfectly legal in both MMA and K1. How you can say you have studied martial arts for 24 years and not know this is rather.... surprising.
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Why on earth would/should i know that? I've never trained in MMA. I know plenty of people who study and i have every respect for it, doesn't mean i know the tourney rules for every martial art.
You have proven that point quite clearly with your lack of understanding of most martial arts.
Look the last thing i wanted to do was get into a bun fight about which MA is the best. You seem to love that kind of fight though.
This thread, even though slightly derailed should serve to show that every martial art has something to offer, be it for offensive combat, self defence, personal enlightenment, fitness etc.
Your mission to ****bag every martial art that you probably haven't tried doesn't really help the op (or anyone) as your opinions are unfounded. I'd embrace any advice you had if you could solidly back it up, but you really...don't.
I'd not say another art is useless because there's no way i could know. So, I'd be very suprised if you knew.
 
hurfdurf said:
Interesting, do you have a video of this manoeuvre?
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Strangely enough in the army it's a bit different from Battlefield 3 and you can't FRAPS what you are doing on a daily basis. :p But I am sure you can picture catching a wrist and continuing that movement down and forward.
 
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