Thinking of taking up a martial art...

Banzai_Joe said:
So nonensical in fact that its founder was heralded as 'osensei' {great master} by most other martial arts masters (his peers so to speak)!



Why on earth would/should i know that? I've never trained in MMA. I know plenty of people who study and i have every respect for it, doesn't mean i know the tourney rules for every martial art.
You have proven that point quite clearly with your lack of understanding of most martial arts.
Look the last thing i wanted to do was get into a bun fight about which MA is the best. You seem to love that kind of fight though.
This thread, even though slightly derailed should serve to show that every martial art has something to offer, be it for offensive combat, self defence, personal enlightenment, fitness etc.
Your mission to ****bag every martial art that you probably haven't tried doesn't really help the op (or anyone) as your opinions are unfounded. I'd embrace any advice you had if you could solidly back it up, but you really...don't.
I'd not say another art is useless because there's no way i could know. So, I'd be very suprised if you knew.
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I find it really funny that someone who has studied martial arts for 24 years, doesn't know the rules of the two main competitions that allow different arts to go up against each other in their own form.

You then have the audacity to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?

That would be like me saying "I love cars, I have studied cars for 24 years. Formula 1? NEVER HEARD OF IT! Just because I love cars doesn't mean I know everything about every car ever gosh!"
 
Xordium said:
Strangely enough in the army it's a bit different from Battlefield 3 and you can't FRAPS what you are doing on a daily basis. :p But I am sure you can picture catching a wrist and continuing that movement down and forward.
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rofl, I didn't mean of you personally doing it and I think you knew that. I meant a video of the manoeuvre being demonstrated, because I am having a hard time picturing it.
 
hurfdurf said:
When you say, have I done Aikido before, do you mean, did I do it for years? No, I went to three or four classes a long time ago, I tried to enjoy it, but it was so stupid I could not.

Edit: I should qualify, 3 were with one class, 1 was with another with me thinking it might just be that specific teacher, it was not, it was exactly the same both places.
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That....is one of the dumbest posts in this thread. 3 lesson in total? 3?
You either suffer from ADHT or went in there after watching a Segal movie.
Aikido is possibly one of the most 'complex' martial arts to grasp due to its philosophy.....3 lessons, sadly....isn't quite enough. It's simply different to other martial arts. Aiki-jutsu is brutal, damned effective (if done right) and probably more to your liking. Aikido came from aiki-jutsu, Ueshiba refined it into a more gentle art. Try to get over that fact. Aikido also branced into many schoold, some more brutal, some more ki-oriented.
Not trying to be condescending, but your arrogence lets you believe that after 3 lessons you seem to know more about it than those who have studied it for over a decade.
It's helped me in the past, but maybe that's because after 10 years i'm 'fairly' adept at it. I used to be a pretty good kick-boxer, but i'm older, lazier and nowhere near as fit as i used to be. Aikido is 'my' art.
I'm just trying to enlighten you, but you refuse to listen.
You would have gained more respect if you'd said "3 lessons were enough for me to think that it wasn't for me". But instead you trash it....and make yourself look rather foolish.
Took me 10 years to attain my shodan in aikdio. I've had people say "wow, you must not be very good"....again the point is sadly missed.
I'm possibly a poor student compared to my peers, but it was a personal journey not a race against others.
 
Muay Thai is awesome and a good class is pretty gruelling as you can really be pushed. Get tired ya get knocked out :p (ok not in a class but in principle).
I really enjoy it and throwing kicks is tiiiiresome. Plus you get to do bits like clinching/knees and some elbows.
Definitely a vote for Muay Thai from me. What I would say is try and find a class that don't try and do everything unless it is a recognised school because you find a bunch sprung up due to the ever increasing fan base of MMA and they don't always do it well.
 
hurfdurf said:
I find it really funny that someone who has studied martial arts for 24 years, doesn't know the rules of the two main competitions that allow different arts to go up against each other in their own form.

You then have the audacity to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?

That would be like me saying "I love cars, I have studied cars for 24 years. Formula 1? NEVER HEARD OF IT! Just because I love cars doesn't mean I know everything about every car ever gosh!"
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OMG....surely you're trolling now?
Here's a paradox for you. I've studied martial arts for most of my life. But ya know what? I'm not really interested in watching MMA's fighters beat each others brains in. I admire their training and skill etc, but i'm simply not that interested in watching it.
My interest lies in self improvement....simple as.....not fighting someone else.
I've been there and done that, way before MMA became known......not for me anymore.
Why can you not understand that?
 
hurfdurf said:
rofl, I didn't mean of you personally doing it and I think you knew that. I meant a video of the manoeuvre being demonstrated, because I am having a hard time picturing it.
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And you'll still be none the wiser ...

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Banzai_Joe said:
That....is one of the dumbest posts in this thread. 3 lesson in total? 3?
You either suffer from ADHT or went in there after watching a Segal movie.
Aikido is possibly one of the most 'complex' martial arts to grasp due to its philosophy.....3 lessons, sadly....isn't quite enough. It's simply different to other martial arts. Aiki-jutsu is brutal, damned effective (if done right) and probably more to your liking. Aikido came from aiki-jutsu, Ueshiba refined it into a more gentle art. Try to get over that fact. Aikido also branced into many schoold, some more brutal, some more ki-oriented.
Not trying to be condescending, but your arrogence lets you believe that after 3 lessons you seem to know more about it than those who have studied it for over a decade.
It's helped me in the past, but maybe that's because after 10 years i'm 'fairly' adept at it. I used to be a pretty good kick-boxer, but i'm older, lazier and nowhere near as fit as i used to be. Aikido is 'my' art.
I'm just trying to enlighten you, but you refuse to listen.
You would have gained more respect if you'd said "3 lessons were enough for me to think that it wasn't for me". But instead you trash it....and make yourself look rather foolish.
Took me 10 years to attain my shodan in aikdio. I've had people say "wow, you must not be very good"....again the point is sadly missed.
I'm possibly a poor student compared to my peers, but it was a personal journey not a race against others.
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3 lessons did indeed make me realise it wasn't for me, based on how much nonsense was involved. After being repeatedly told to punch slower and offer less resistance just to demonstrate (lest the move not work basically) I had had enough.

You say you invested 10 years in it, so maybe you are a bit biased? I can understand not wanting to admit something I had invested that long into being called rubbish annoying me, but let the facts speak for themselves. In the UFC or any other MMA, no Aikido practitioners have ever even been a blip on the radar. Surely if it was a useful martial art, than the top Aikido people in the world would be millionaires as they would be the top MMA fighters in the world?

Then come the excuses. "Oh the UFC doesn't allow it!" Rubbish, even if you allow for the fact that the UFC is now a little bit more strict when it comes to safety, the early MMA days had zero rules and no Aikido people ended up in it.

"oh its too deadly!" Then how do you practice it?!
 
Banzai_Joe said:
OMG....surely you're trolling now?
Here's a paradox for you. I've studied martial arts for most of my life. But ya know what? I'm not really interested in watching MMA's fighters beat each others brains in. I admire their training and skill etc, but i'm simply not that interested in watching it.
My interest lies in self improvement....simple as.....not fighting someone else.
I've been there and done that, way before MMA became known......not for me anymore.
Why can you not understand that?
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So you have studied martial arts for 24 years, to improve yourself, not to fight anyone. You have studied fighting other people, but don't watch anyone fight other people. Sounds like you were in some weird insular cult mate, where by everyone told each other how amazing they were and how great the techniques were, only to never actually demonstrate it.

"I have studied motor racing for 24 years, its amazing, I will never ever watch it on TV though, I love it because of the joy it gives me, why would I want to watch cars being abused on a race track though?!"
 
Wooah....horsey!
I never said aikido was the best. I simply refuted your claim that it was useless.
I've said in a few posts (i think) that a mix of arts with the most effective stuff used imho would make the better all-round fighter.
I'll also say that there not a SINGLE MA that can claim dominence over all others. I think to most the answer should be obvious, but just in case; surely that is because all MAs borrow from one or another.

The people that say "aikido is too deadly" if indeed they do say that, do the art no favours.
 
Banzai_Joe said:
Wooah....horsey!
I never said aikido was the best. I simply refuted your claim that it was useless.
I've said in a few posts (i think) that a mix of arts with the most effective stuff used imho would make the better all-round fighter.
I'll also say that there not a SINGLE MA that can claim dominence over all others. I think to most the answer should be obvious, but just in case; surely that is because all MAs borrow from one or another.

The people that say "aikido is too deadly" if indeed they do say that, do the art no favours.
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OK, we are getting some where.

The OP has asked what he should learn and where.

If I can show Aikido has very little value (as I have done), and is comparatively useless, in comparison to other more practical martial arts, baring in mind he can only go to one class at a time, Aikido would therefore be a terrible place for him to go, at the expense of going some where that teaches a good martial art.

Therefore, Aikido is terrible.
 
hurfdurf said:
So you have studied martial arts for 24 years, to improve yourself, not to fight anyone. You have studied fighting other people, but don't watch anyone fight other people. Sounds like you were in some weird insular cult mate, where by everyone told each other how amazing they were and how great the techniques were, only to never actually demonstrate it.

"I have studied motor racing for 24 years, its amazing, I will never ever watch it on TV though, I love it because of the joy it gives me, why would I want to watch cars being abused on a race track though?!"
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Try and grab some sense kiddo. :rolleyes:
the term 'martial arts' is pretty varied. Specifically i'm more interested in traditional japanese martial arts, more specifically sword arts. I know only really study kendo and iaijutsu.
I watch the odd MMA fight if i happen to flick to it on TV. I don't know all the rules... shock!
You like football? Do you watch every single match that you can or just your fave team?

Your 1st paragraph just shows your understanding is limited. It's not a problem, you simply don't think the same way. I find the passion that people put into following football quite surprising, but hey ho.
 
hurfdurf said:
Then come the excuses. "Oh the UFC doesn't allow it!" Rubbish, even if you allow for the fact that the UFC is now a little bit more strict when it comes to safety, the early MMA days had zero rules and no Aikido people ended up in it.
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An argument could be made that Aikido's primarily counter offensive nature attracts students who are less likely to use it in aggression/offence and that's why it is under represented in MMA.

If you doubt its usefulness check out some of Steven Segal's early demos from the 80's on youtube. He may be a washed up out of shape relic now but he was a beast back in the day and knew his stuff. The one where he gets put on the deck by a girl almost half his size shows its usefulness quite effectively.



hurfdurf said:
Also still lolin at the "24 years I have studied this/doesnt know the basic rules of MMA/K1"
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Not many martial arts enthusiasts do, watching a bunch of strikers and grappler's beat each other senseless and sit on each others faces isn't of interest to every martial artist you know. Also the are no "rules of MMA" as its a blanket term, that's like saying "rules of racing" or "rules of ball games"
 
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Banzai_Joe said:
Try and grab some sense kiddo. :rolleyes:
the term 'martial arts' is pretty varied. Specifically i'm more interested in traditional japanese martial arts, more specifically sword arts. I know only really study kendo and iaijutsu.
I watch the odd MMA fight if i happen to flick to it on TV. I don't know all the rules... shock!
You like football? Do you watch every single match that you can or just your fave team?

Your 1st paragraph just shows your understanding is limited. It's not a problem, you simply don't think the same way. I find the passion that people put into following football quite surprising, but hey ho.
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I hate football, I call it soccer on purpose to wind up football fans.

Your analogy would be like me saying "I love football, I have followed it for 24 years, but I don't know the offside rule or what a penalty kick is"

I am not shocked you haven't watched every single MMA fight as per your football analogy, I am shocked that whilst you have studied martial arts for 24 years, you don't know the very basics of a fairly, if not biggest, part of it.
 
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