Thinking of taking up a martial art...

Xordium said:
Tracheal strikes have always been out in pretty much everything for the very reason they are so dangerous. But if you fancy letting a big 18 stone chap like myself whack you in the cricoid region a few times to prove its all a-ok then I am sure there are plenty on OcUK who'll happily watch the footage.
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Everything barring eye gouging, biting and fish hooking was legal in Vale Tudo and early UFC.
 
@OP there is more 'woo' in martial arts than you'll find in alternative medicine.

The reality is that martial arts can be put to the test - some can be shown to be effective - others are just 'woo' and rely on some mysticism, philosophy and a whole load of excuses as to why they can't be put to the test. Just as a homeopath will protest that a double blind clinical trial isn't applicable because his treatments are super special and tailored to the individual a practitioner of bullshido will make similar protests. His elite secret skills are super deadly and to dangerous to be put to the test. Won't work in MMA but on 'the streets' his form of bullshido will supposedly be supreme.

No one wants to hear that they've spent 10 years role playing so some of the pyjama ninjas get a bit upset when the effectiveness of their 'art' is called into question.
 
I used to have a friend that started Muay Thai in south africa, the trainer was a guy called Quentin Chong (i think), he was meant to be world champ kick boxer or something. He is famous in SA, he is on adverts on tv etc. Once apparently 5 western province (big league club) rugby players started causing trouble with him in the city outside a club. Apparently he took them all down before they could do any damage.

i think this is him

 
ubersonic said:
An argument could be made that Aikido's primarily counter offensive nature attracts students who are less likely to use it in aggression/offence and that's why it is under represented in MMA.

If you doubt its usefulness check out some of Steven Segal's early demos from the 80's on youtube. He may be a washed up out of shape relic now but he was a beast back in the day and knew his stuff. The one where he gets put on the deck by a girl almost half his size shows its usefulness quite effectively.





Not many martial arts enthusiasts do, watching a bunch of strikers and grappler's beat each other senseless and sit on each others faces isn't of interest to every martial artist you know. Also the are no "rules of MMA" as its a blanket term, that's like saying "rules of racing" or "rules of ball games"
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There's money to be made in MMA so if something else worked people would be doing it.

I don't know why this is still an argument. All this stuff has been tested in the ring with MMA and in real life with ghetto fights and the like and it's always a sloppy mix of boxing/thai-boxing/BJJ/western-wrestling that works the best.

Being strong and fit and having a killer instinct to use often pre-emptive unrelenting overwhelming "unfair" force is more important than technique/form.

I think all these women/fat/small/weak people are being sold some grossly misrepresented product with the stuff taught as self-defence.
 
Question for Judo people - what happens when you're on holiday in southern Florida and someone starts on you who is covered in sweat and wearing nothing but shorts? How do you throw them with judo moves? Do you practice for that kind of thing?
 
All martial arts are useful for keeping fit, but none of them will make you hard or turn you into somekind of Bruce Lee Superbeing.

Find the one that suits you best and do that, ignore all the fanbois of other arts and just remember that whether you do aikido, kungfu, karate, muai thai or whatever, a swift kick in the knackers followed by a knee to the face and a blitz attack will put you down and you will stay down.

They are sports and as such have rules....in real life there are none.
 
Castiel said:
All martial arts are useful for keeping fit, but none of them will make you hard or turn you into somekind of Bruce Lee Superbeing.

Find the one that suits you best and do that, ignore all the fanbois of other arts and just remember that whether you do aikido, kungfu, karate, muai thai or whatever, a swift kick in the knackers followed by a knee to the face and a blitz attack will put you down and you will stay down.

They are sports and as such have rules....in real life there are none.
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This.
 
Xordium said:
Next time I want to practice strikes to the cricoid region you can be my sparring partner. Next up will be toe strikes to the femoral artery - you'll be ok I am an advanced life support instructor I can get you back from the subsequent cardiac arrest. :D Please don't tell me they are ineffective as they are just about the nastiest things going.
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This is just so nerdy. It's like stepping over a pound to pick up a penny. While you're busy concentrating for an opening for your overly-complicated super duper throat/artery hit or whatever, you're face is getting smashed in through brute force. Boxing punches are faster than anything. As soon as a boxer got a hint of you loading yourself to make one of these nerdy strikes you'd be aspirating your own teeth.

It only works if the other person is also wasting concentration trying to find openings for this stupid stuff.
 
kwerk said:
This is just so nerdy. It's like stepping over a pound to pick up a penny. While you're busy concentrating for an opening for your overly-complicated super duper throat/artery hit or whatever, you're face is getting smashed in through brute force. Boxing punches are faster than anything. As soon as a boxer got a hint of you loading yourself to make one of these nerdy strikes you'd be aspirating your own teeth.

It only works if the other person is also wasting concentration trying to find openings for this stupid stuff.
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Try reading the thread and I think you will find that those specific types of move were given as examples of move you can not do properly in practice. Such moves are taught as part of any military unarmed combat system but I am sure you know better. Now we've had your fantastic contribution I'll eagerly await our other OcUK expert on everything bhavv to post something equally inane.
 
Castiel said:
All martial arts are useful for keeping fit, but none of them will make you hard or turn you into somekind of Bruce Lee Superbeing.

Find the one that suits you best and do that, ignore all the fanbois of other arts and just remember that whether you do aikido, kungfu, karate, muai thai or whatever, a swift kick in the knackers followed by a knee to the face and a blitz attack will put you down and you will stay down.

They are sports and as such have rules....in real life there are none.
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Kick to the knackers? Thought moves had to be gender neutral now in line with LINES.
 
It only works if the other person is also wasting concentration trying to find openings for this stupid stuff.
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Is the point of being a seasoned fighter not that one does not waste time thinking? It all flows naturally with minimum fuss attached?
 
hurfdurf said:
Good post Dowie
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Indeed it is a good post....and i agree with him. However hurf you have slated a martial art from heresay....you haven't the experience to know for yourself, simple as.
And that was my only argument with you mate.
Other than that, i'd never advocate aikido or any other single art as the ONE art that supercedes any other in combat effectiveness.

shadesofgrey said:
The quote has me amazed too, I mean, I know folk who smash their blocking shin reapeatedly with a rolling pin to 'flatten' it out and create minor breaks just so it heals up harder and harder...

... while they 'sharpen' their other shin in a similar manner!
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Yes, i did exactly that in my early 20s. I used to kick our metal clothes prop and filled plastic 2ltr bottles with sand and whacked them against my shins, it certainly does toughen them up.
However, it was an example, and if you're caught in the street, is your opponent really going to have shins of steel? And will they really stand up to a toe kick in boots? Try it.....i have......it worked, it was in a training class so not really full force. It wasn't so much the breaking of the shin as more the off balance shock it gave the opponent.
I'm only going from experience of what i found worked. As no doubt others will be....expect for a few.
 
shadesofgrey said:
Is the point of being a seasoned fighter not that one does not waste time thinking? It all flows naturally with minimum fuss attached?
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The point is you're wasting time/opportunity when you could simply smash their face in with your fists/elbows/forehead/whatever. That's what I mean by stepping over a pound to pick up a penny. The only thing you can achieve with muscle memory in a real fight, if that's what you're talking about, is the most basic stuff. Especially under a huge adrenaline dump.
 
kwerk said:
This is just so nerdy. It's like stepping over a pound to pick up a penny. While you're busy concentrating for an opening for your overly-complicated super duper throat/artery hit or whatever, you're face is getting smashed in through brute force. Boxing punches are faster than anything. As soon as a boxer got a hint of you loading yourself to make one of these nerdy strikes you'd be aspirating your own teeth.
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I have to disagree there mate. Ever see that science of martial arts programme (actually there were a few similar ones). Whilst boxers punch the hardest they were proven (in these tests anyway) that they were not the fastest. Boxers clench their fists to quickly whereas a kung fu fighter will only clench at the second before striking. This makes for a faster delivery.
Also boxers by nature i guess will not expect a strike below the waste, whereas a martial artists uses all his body to strike/defend.
Again, not trying to discriminate, but pointing out pros and cons for both.
 
kwerk said:
Question for Judo people - what happens when you're on holiday in southern Florida and someone starts on you who is covered in sweat and wearing nothing but shorts? How do you throw them with judo moves? Do you practice for that kind of thing?
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Aint all about throws kwerk, but i'll let the judoka answer that one. ;)
 
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