Not really I just find it like debating with Stockhausen tbh but the other side of the coin.
Your views on gun laws in the UK
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Not really I just find it like debating with Stockhausen tbh but the other side of the coin.
Gun law is one of the rare circumstances whereby I know I cannot provide hard evidence in relation to harm to justify illegality, but I still support the ban. It is an entirely moral and opinionated stance. Guns have almost zero value to members of the public. I don't think society would benefit from making them widely availible and I believe that making them legal itself sends a wrong message out to society regardless of what educational messaged are put in place.
A total Devlin argument if there ever was one, but it's convincing enough for me.
A total Devlin argument if there ever was one, but it's convincing enough for me.
I used "in my world" in response to Dolph's post. Reading 101.
Yes I'm ex military, including extensive experience in CT and MCT, which is why I know exactly how difficult it is to source automatic assault rifles in the UK.....
The statistics don't really back this up though, because if they did, the murder rate would have dropped when guns were banned, instead it carried on rising for another 5 years. Also, protecting me from a firearm, when the criminal just substitutes another weapon isn't really protecting me at all.
The police can only ever be a reactive force, that means there's always a time lag before they can get to you. In this country, we seem to have been stripped of our ability to protect ourselves (with a few exceptions, but they tend to require years of training to do well), on the expectation that the police will turn up and clear up your corpse afterwards, it's not really good enough.
Furthermore, this doesn't address the fundamental civil rights issue that the government has not made a valid, evidence based case for blanket firearms bans, instead relying on kneejerk responses to the very rare nutter to strip rights away from thousands of people who enjoyed a hobby in a perfectly law abiding manner.
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It really isn't. Happy to discuss further off-forum if you wish.
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I don't want the UK to be like the USA. Britain is better and one of the reasons are the gun laws.
FREEDOM IS NOT IMPORTANT as long as the law is good and makes things better.
Freedom = FreeDoom.
FREEDOM IS NOT IMPORTANT as long as the law is good and makes things better.
Freedom = FreeDoom.
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CCW doesn't reduce crime at all, it just makes the consequences potentially far worse.
Not strictly true I know someone who can get you a Mac-10 in how many minutes was it? (I know technically speaking it's not a automatic rifle but beggars can't be choosers when there's-a-carnage to be reaping).
Citation needed (Mine's provided earlier in the thread, can repeat if needed however).
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I read the post. I asked what World that is so I can judge whether you're full of ****, or whether you have half a clue. When you answer what you were asked I'll make my mind up.
You might want to inform your local constabulary instead.
Besides, how many of the general public would know where to buy any kind of illicit gun, let alone something like an Assault Rifle....
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Everyone knows statistics tell the story of whatever the creator wishes for them to.
Guns kill people, by limiting or not using guns, less people will be killed by guns. Its quite obvious really.
Do you trust people in general? Do you often leave your house unlocked and doors wide open? Would you feel comfortable if you saw a large group of young individuals in hooded attire carrying knives and firearms? How about inviting them round for tea? How about taking it to a football match?
Even if it accidentily goes off, its just an accident, right?
And why exactly would I care but for what it's worth I've had my share of times down the whistle and duck.
But less people being killed by guns is utterly irrelevant if the same number of people are killed overall.
What on earth are you talking about?
Four times as many murders in the USA per 100,000 population and two thirds of those were caused by firearms.
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Equally someone posted the respective weighted incidences of related guncrime between the UK and US.
The difference was rather significant.
The ''Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997'' act 1 and 2 was a DIRECT result to Dunblane (Hungerford massacre also helped).
It now makes another Dunblane impossible to occur which was exactly what the law set-out to do.
IT WAS NOT introduced to reduce gun crime
Was it broken down by state to reflect the fact that gun control varies widely and there is a significant association between increasing gun control and increasing crime (look at D.C)
Also, looking at 'gun crime' rather than 'crime' is a rather pointless comparison. You need to look at overall crime rates, because a murder still counts if it's done by another weapon.
The ''Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997'' act 1 and 2 was a DIRECT result to Dunblane (Hungerford massacre also helped).
It now makes another Dunblane impossible to occur which was exactly what the law set-out to do.
IT WAS NOT introduced to reduce gun crime
Thanks for proving my point.