What about them?
UKIP move up to third in polls....
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What about them?
I'm not saying that you can't have an economic or legal argument against it, it's just those that are put forward are frequently without any foundation.
There's two sides to that. On one side there's the nutters who are anti-EU and come out with all sorts of rubbish which undermines any attempt to have a discussion. And on the other there's the lefty finger pointers who'll tar anyone a bigot who disagrees with them. Somewhere in between is where intelligent debate should be.. but it's no man's land.
I really don't think you understand the mavity of removing the freedom that the EU provides to economy of Britain. Without the unilateral agreements across Europe we (as British citizens) would not be entitled to work or live anywhere across Europe. Ultimately we would not be entitled to the massive economic benefits that come from being able to trade with states in close proximity of us.
That's really not true. We trade heavily with Europe and they trade heavily with us. Neither side would want that to come to an end. Leaving the EU we would negotiate agreements and trade should not significantly be impacted - nobody would want it to be.
You are making huge assumptions that those agreements are the exclusive and solely the province of being in the in the EU. That is not true....many countries who are not members of the EU have similar if not equal rights as we do as individuals.....these include Switzerland and Norway.
It is perfectly feasible to suggest that the UK can have a nonpolitical treaty with the EU that would effectively retain most of, if not all of the benefits we currently have.....in fact it could be beneficial to do so when you consider that the UK is the largest trading partner of the economic powerhouses of the EU such as Germany. They will want to protect their largest export markets and the UK is one of them.
We would also be able to have free trade treaties with nations and blocs outside of the EU, such as being a partner in the NAFTA and it's labour supplementry treaty as well as retaining a possible membership of the Schengen Treaty and negotiating Free Trade Agreements with the EU.....something that as a full member of the EU we cannot currently do as the NAFTA (and the other global equivalents) cannot treat Britain differently from the rest of the EU.
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More illegal immigrants is just more votes for Labour what do you expect. They have found their new demographic. Screw the people who have lived here for thousand of years they don't matter in the lefts eye.
Proud of a multi-cultural state... What kind of utter nonsense is that?
You're proud of divisions? Of ghettos? Of people with no contact outside of their own immediate family? You're proud of exclusion?
Everything we import would cost us 20% more and everything we export would cost them 20% more, it would hurt our consumers and it would damage our export business.
Illegals don't vote, but I agree that the legals Labour let in were just more votes for them.
why?
Tax, we don't pay VAT on stuff coming in from another EU country and they don't pay their equivalent on stuff they buy from us.
That is probably because your product (whatever that is) is zero rated and would be whatever the origination.....normally VAT is applicable on EU removals/dispatches at the rate of the recieving country, in the UK 20%....If your customers are VAT registered in their country then they will charge the applicable rate of VAT to goods they recieve and you zero-rate at your end....if they are not VAT registered then you charge VAT.
also you would not charge VAT on exports outside of the EU such as Norway, as VAT is not charged on non-EU exports.
Under normal circumstances (I don't know yours) VAT is charged on EU dispatches and removals, either by the exporter or the recipient depending on the circumstances and VAT status of the recipient....so under normal operations it would in fact be better to export to a non-EU country as those exports are normally zero-rated.
Also this ignores the fact that many non-EU countries have similar trade agreements and so you cannot say whether your product would be 20% more costly or not....in all likelyhood, given non-EU export rules it would not.
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Goods in the EU can only have sales tax applied once, if you buy something from E.G France then you pay French sales tax on it which is usually inc in the price then that's it, its only stuff from outside the EU like America/Japan/etc that customs can charge VAT for.
That isn't how it works:
VAT is a EU only tax......Exports to non-EU countries are not applicable for VAT so your exports would not attract the 20% increase....if you export to France and the recipient is TVA registered then your product will have a TVA rate of up to 19.6% applied to it by the recipient. If you import from France, then you are liable for the VAT at the UK rate.
Of you import from outside the EU then you apply VAT as you would from a EU country.
Whether we are in the EU or not, your goods will not suddenly become 20% more expensive.
http://www.brighton-accountants.com/france/
http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1083237517&type=RESOURCES
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Ahh I see, but while it wouldn't increase the cost to the end buyer of our exports it would still increase the cost of our imports (and by more than 20% because the would be extra charges to pay) this would be a problem because the is just some stuff you can't get in the UK.
That's rubbish. Just simply rubbish.
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There were trade agreements before the eu super state. Most people that are against the EU super state are not against trade agreements. You can have trade agreements and other agreements between countries, that does not involve handing over the countries legal and regulatory authority to an unelected bureaucracy or a common currency.