Guild Wars 2

[OminousLatinNoun]

This just leaves event bosses as problematic, and in the limited time available I came up against 6 of these. Of those, 2 were impossible to melee as far as I can tell. The solution for me was to equip a ranged weapon, which wasn't an ideal solution by any stretch, as all I could do was auto attack, rezz, and dodge the boss's longer range attacks. But I still enjoyed the fight, and the fact that I was there with around 30 or 40 other people wailing on this hugely impressive mob, easily on a par with most game's final bosses while only at level 15ish more than made up for the fact that the encounter was mechanically simple for me or that I had to move away from my preferred playstyle.

This is pretty much what the discussion is centered around. Event scaling, excess particle effects and poorly telegraphed aoe/pbaoe is raining on the melee parade. Thieves also have some issues with melee (imagine guardian but without blocking, stunning and lower armor)

Players arent being wrecked by normal mobs, its a case of people being one shot by effects they cant see, whereas ranged can statically auto attack in a lot of cases and be fine.

The game isnt even out yet btw, most people have played for just 3 days so any claim that either melee is too hard or ranged is too easy is invalid as no one has enough experience of playing the game yet to conclude that.

This is discussion about the current build of the game based on our own experience, so no, it isn't invalid. It isn't indicative of what the final build may be like, but it is an absolute representation of what it currently is like.

 

[bhavv]

I was one shotted plenty of times by regular archer mobs in PVE on my ele, they have the lowest HP of all the classes. I couldnt auto attack and be fine in any case when soloing, nor could I win everything by just 'playing with just one hand and watching porn on another screen while fapping on the other' as you all seem to think ranged can easily accomplish in GW2.

 

[ChrisJSY]

Ellys have to dodge and evade veteran mobs too, you cant just stand in one spot and kill them:

Then you link a vid where you engage a mob and stand still for 15 seconds while you let it hit you, although to give you credit I assumed you hoped the blind would've made it miss?

But I notice you're not moving around as much as you could, or using any other element? Vigor high and could be used.

While this is only low level, and not a veteran and I'm precariously hanging near an edge, I wasn't familiar with the "Elder Earth Elemental" I didn't know if it was veteran or lower/higher and how hard it hit, so I kept moving, a lot, and switching, and pulling more mobs.

Giving more room to run about, chea.. vet's aren't hard
PS. Could you Backpeddle more.

I was one shotted plenty of times by regular archer mobs in PVE on my ele, they have the lowest HP of all the classes. I couldnt auto attack and be fine in any case when soloing, nor could I win everything by just 'playing with just one hand and watching porn on another screen while fapping on the other' as you all seem to think ranged can easily accomplish in GW2.

Problem = You don't read what people write.
I keep talking about larger scale dynamic encounters, not solo, for **** sake bhavv, that's why people argue with you, you keep straying off specific points.

 

[InKursion]

- Many intelligent, rational, perfectly capable people make similar complaints about melee.

- Single person that hasn't even played melee/Thief, and states on the record that he won't until he has "mastered the easier ranged class" comes to call them "noobs".

- 2 pages of discussion transpires.

- ∞ ∞ ∞

At this rate every single person that wants to make a reasoned point about melee is going to be banned from the Forum

 

[Mittens]

seems to me as a GW2 noob, that some people in this thread might have the experience and knowledge of GW1 but their attitude is straight from wow - 'im ace, youre not, so how dare you play my game little man'.

very sad really on a non affiliated gaming forum but i suppose thats modern life for you.

does anyone know anything about the beta schedule, are they aiming for 1 per month ??

 

[bhavv]

- Single person that hasn't even played melee/Thief, and states on the record that he won't until he has "mastered the easier ranged class" comes to call them "noobs".

Erm, I did play a thief actually, and I fought the earth elemental boss.

There was also only me and one other thief present for the battle.

I ran up to the boss and kept on hitting it. My HP didnt drop at all. It was far easier than you have stated it would be.

And again, a thief isnt a melee class. You have pistols and shortbows available to use when facing harder enemies.

Bhavv if gw2 guru is your Mecca of perfection can you not just go hang out there instead

And why not tell people complaining about melee to hang out on the official forums then? What is complaining on OCUK ever going to do about it?

Problem = You don't read what people write.
I keep talking about larger scale dynamic encounters, not solo, for **** sake bhavv, that's why people argue with you, you keep straying off specific points.

I am reading what other people are writing, why dont you also try to do that?

Plenty of people complaining that melee is too hard on regular PVE mobs too, because they are simply bad at playing a thief. I'm addressing everysingle complaint I see, not just your specific ones.

I also saw plenty of melee characters while playing large DEs handling themselves absolutely fine, I dont understand why the complainers cant do the same.

 

[OminousLatinNoun]

seems to me as a GW2 noob, that some people in this thread might have the experience and knowledge of GW1 but their attitude is straight from wow - 'im ace, youre not, so how dare you play my game little man'.

Incidentally enough, it seems to be the reverse.

does anyone know anything about the beta schedule, are they aiming for 1 per month ??

They have said 1 per month up until around release. Info re: the next weekend should be coming out soon.

 

[arknor]

They've stated they have enough content planned for the next five years. Make of that what you will but Tim Kring said the same thing about Heroes, and we know how that ended

for gw1 didnt they say 1 expansion a month because that would be how they would make money instead of a subscription...

look how that turned out

 

[EnzoSmithers]

Erm, I did play a thief actually, and I fought the earth elemental boss.

There was also only me and one other thief present for the battle.

I ran up to the boss and kept on hitting it. My HP didnt drop at all. It was far easier than you have stated it would be.

Not really a massive surprise, the event would have been scaled down loads if only 2 players were present. Next beta, try using any character that has a melee skillset to it, and play till level 10. Then come back and give us your impressions.

Playing a thief, till you kill the earth ele, which is like what, lvl 2, with 1 other player is not practical experience.

 

[ChrisJSY]

I am reading what other people are writing, why dont you also try to do that?

I also saw plenty of melee characters while playing large DEs handling themselves absolutely fine, I dont understand why the complainers cant to the same.

When I talk about specifically afking as ranged during a dynamic event with lots of people I expect you to reply in the same manner, not "you can't do that solo".

Yeah, I played melee and I didn't have much problem either (You can see on my other vid vs the champion, I could dodge and evade stuff, except one aoe blast ) but SOME other stuff we have reason to complain.
Ranged are getting too easy a cut in this game, it shouldn't be :<

 

[bhavv]

Three people in my guild played thieves in the beta past level 20. None of them complained about the game being too hard.

When I talk about specifically afking as ranged during a dynamic event with lots of people....

You can AFK on any class / weapon set, whats your point? You dont get any contribution for it though.

for gw1 didnt they say 1 expansion a month because that would be how they would make money instead of a subscription...

Are you mad? They said an expansion every year which they delivered. And it turned out to become the second most successful 'online RPG' ever made.

Ranged are getting too easy a cut in this game, it shouldn't be :<

No they arent, and again theres not one single melee class in GW2. All classes were given access to ranged weapons for a reason other than simply ignoring that you can also use them.

Playing a dagger / dagger thief is no different to playing a dagger / dagger ele, you cant win the entire game with just one weapon set and close range combat.

 

[ChrisJSY]

You can AFK on any class / weapon set, whats your point? You dont get any contribution for it though.
.

There you go not reading again, we're talking about the ability to attack as ranged, in a dynamic event, whilst afk. Not afk without attacking.
When mods come to realise this thread is another argument, maybe they can realise for once who's the instigator and can't actually hold a conversation on a forum without trailing off.

No they arent, and again theres not one single melee class in GW2. All classes were given access to ranged weapons for a reason other than simply ignoring that you can also use them.

Notice how Bhavv ignores the fact I said "ranged" not "classes" and makes it into a useless counter point.
I see why people have given up talking to you, you might have memory problems because it's not even 5 minutes past the last thing I said and you've already tripped up 3 times in a row with leaving out specific pieces of information.

I'm done, no more replies to you.

 

[arknor]

Are you mad? They said an expansion every year which they delivered. And it turned out to become the second most successful 'online RPG' ever made.

when guild wars was open beta they said they planned on releasing a new chapter every month

 

[bhavv]

Then equip a ranged weapon on your class and enjoy all the benefits that you complain about it having.

when guild wars was open beta they said they planned on releasing a new chapter every month

No they didnt, you simply didnt hear / read the information correctly.

 

[Spektor]

GJ guys, thread is super interesting.

Anyone got any word on swapping to a new key on the same account from NC soft? It took me a day just to get an auto-response that was for "submitting your ping test for your disconnection issue". If you can say one thing for CJs CD Keys, at least their support is prompt and actually reads your problem.

 

[InKursion]

I've not even bothered trying to get a key swapped with NCSoft yet. I can bet their service will be terrible.

 

[arknor]

No they didnt, you simply didnt hear / read the information correctly.

it was posting in a Q&A session with one of the devs....

 

[bhavv]

it was posting in a Q&A session with one of the devs....

Well find a link to it then or it never happened.

For starters it is completely impossible for the developers to have ever managed a full expansion every month. Secondly, they never did it. The vanilla game was going strong for a whole year until the first expansion was released 12 months later. Any extra content added during that time like Sorrows Furnace was added for free.

 

[Admiral Huddy]

People seem to have ignored my previous warning so this is now a final warning - Stop the bickering and stop singling out individuals. If you don't like what a particular member posts then simply ignore them - It really is as simple as that.

If you feel you have a genuine reason that they are trolling or being disruptive then report them through the normal channels. Bear in mind, a conflicting opinion doesn't constitute as trolling as some people here might be suggesting.


Anymore of this rubbish and I'll lock the thread down for 48 hours or worse close it down altogether.

 

[No1newts]

Huddy the issue only issue is the thread is still a detailed mess. Once again the thread is unreadable because of his ANer/GW cheer leading and trolling of anyone who tries to debate, rather than praise, the game.

You can't ignore because the thread is yanked a mile off track by it every. Single. Time. So that no other debate is possible without the pointless derailment.