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Have you head of Google?
To be honest there have been plenty of Anti-Catholic threads already.
It's going a bit off tangent.
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Have you head of Google?
To be honest there have been plenty of Anti-Catholic threads already.
It's going a bit off tangent.
Isn't using sexuality as an identifier to 'the good things people have done' a bit silly?
Let's provide some examples of the good things straight people have done. Let's provide some examples of the good things black people have done. Let's provide some examples of the good things women have done.
Sounds silly now.
It's about the person or organisation. Sexuality isn't really an organisation or defines someone no more than being black etc.
Hm I am sounding really 'pro gay marriage, pro gay' by now . As I've stated I am quite indifferent but like to have a reasonable and logical thought process. Be objective.
Let's provide some examples of the good things straight people have done. Let's provide some examples of the good things black people have done. Let's provide some examples of the good things women have done.
Sounds silly now.
It's about the person or organisation. Sexuality isn't really an organisation or defines someone no more than being black etc.
Hm I am sounding really 'pro gay marriage, pro gay' by now . As I've stated I am quite indifferent but like to have a reasonable and logical thought process. Be objective.
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You are judging people by their actions, claiming you don't hate them just what they do, which is just asinine.
Yes I do know some gay people and they stand for gay rights and being seen as equal under the eyes of the law, they are also proud of being gay and feel no shame in undertaking homosexual sexual activity.
The implication from your posts is that gay people should hate who they are and suppress all the feelings they have. A gay person is OK with you so long as they don't act on any of their desires or even think about gay sex (a mind crime).
As I said, you are trying to justify your homophobia.
These things can be listed, why are you afraid to list what good deed homosexuality have done?
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what about black people? what about ginger people? would you allow people to refuse them too?
If you read my posts, I've clearly stated that they are essentially neutral purely on the basis of scale of both the good and bad aspects of the Catholic Church.
I'm fairly sure not doing bad things is in the middle of the good/bad scale, so anything not being detrimental to anything is the starting point of good.
Why do homosexuals need to achieve positive things before they are allowed stuff, surely not doing bad things is a perfectly acceptable starting point.
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Yawn - yet more racism from you.
A gay person is OK with me no matter what they do.
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well, plenty of musicians, artists, comedians, authors.
whereas the catholic church brought us organised paedophilia and hypocrisy and tried to ban contraception while an AIDS epidemic was on. plus plenty of murder.
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Strictly speaking that would make you a homophobe - well if working correctly from latin anyway.
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I would support the right of a racist to not let black people into his home. I would wholly disagree with his views and argue against them but I would defend his rights to hold them and act on the in his private property.
Businesses do not have this right however I would not support any discrimination there. I was against the B&B owners for that very reason.
You cannot force or legislate people into thinking a certain way and trying to only creates more resentment.
No one said they did. But as usual you say a lot but provide nothing.
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You know the majority of Clerical Paedophiles are homosexual don't you?
Anyway - the Catholic Church gave us Da Vinci and Botticelli - the homosexuals gave us "Glee"
I rest my case. I am actually sick in bed at the moment (as I said earlier)
Strictly speaking that would make you a homophobe - well if working correctly from latin anyway.
I hate everyone equally.
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Strictly speaking that would make you a homophobe - well if working correctly from latin anyway.
Well strictly speaking that would make him have an irrational fear of humans. Someone who hates them would be an Odihomo.
All I said was that all the bad things the Catholic Church have done are worse than all the bad things that homosexuals have done. Net contribution wasn't mentioned.
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My gay vicar held a bake sale the other day for Sports Relief, is that one brownie point for the Church or the gays?
I don't think anyone does good things because they are 'straight' or 'gay'. Usually because they are a good person, regardless of sexuality.
Do people do good deeds in the name of hetrosexuality?
There are many gay people who have done good things in various ways. Some famous, some not so famous.
The catholic church advocates itself as the catholic church and a force. I am not aware that gays do things "in the name of the gays" outside of gay rights? I think they just want equality and then that's the end of it? Would there ever be "the gay RSPCA" or "homeless children's charity, by the gays"?
This is what I find weird and hypocritical about certain religious people.
Sin is bad. People shouldn't sin. Thus you shouldn't associate yourself with sinners. Much like I wouldn't be friends with a thief, murderer or general A-hole.
Many religious people who conveniently overlook the more socially acceptable sins, such as the living out of wedlock, blasphemy or sex before marriage. Sure if you had strength in your convictions, you wouldn't associate with sinners, unless you are actively trying to street them on to "the right path".
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Haven't read the whole thread but totally agree with your previous post. Ignorance is not an excuse.
Marriage is a biblical concept and is an institution established by God - the bible makes that perfectly clear. Simply looking at the relationship between God and Israel is the easiest example – also Christ and the Church.
I think you're getting confused between religion/tradition and culture. Culture adopt elements of religion/tradition and is absolutely the case of a typical church-based wedding ceremony having bible readings whether or not those getting married are of that religion or not.
The point is, just because something like a wedding or funeral includes a bible verse doesn't mean the bible lays out the format, it's purely an interpretation of the institution through culture/tradition.
Saying that you have hit the nail on the head a bit – non-Christians having a church based wedding always makes me wonder why, if they have no belief, do they have a church based wedding? Obviously apart from the buildings typically being nice service venues etc. Don't get me wrong, I think it's good to get married in a church, just interesting thought.
I was brought up methodist and their churches have very specific formats of services from weddings, funerals and dedications (or christenings as some call them) - this is wholly down to culture/tradition but generally structured around the biblical concept of marriage.
Wedding rings, big ceremonies and the signing of a piece of paper is just our cultural, traditional and legal take on it but under the umbrella of a religious ceremony.
Back to (sort of) the point - the bible makes it absolutely clear that the act of homosexuality is an 'abomination' (Lev 18:22). My question to those wanting gay marriage legalised is:
- why would you want to be a part of an institution (marriage) that is based on Judeo-Christian teaching that clearly condemns the act of homosexuality?
Also, whilst on the point, I think it is absolutely wrong for any minister to be forced to perform gay marriages.
Back on topic - God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve
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