The Queen's Diamond Jubilee

RazrLite said:
In times of poverty & austerity in this country where the poor & being made poorer - To watch this pomposity is gauling to say the lest.
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Actually it's times like this that things like this are more important. They help everyone to forget their troubles and celebrate for a few days/weeks. These sort of things have regularly been put on in times of "despair".
 
elmarko1234 said:
I use this as an opportunity to laugh at people who support both the monarchy & equality - I try to get them to explain how it isn't a case of clear cognitive dissonance.

I don't ask that she is totally removed, just funding her/being a subject is made optional - 80% of the population could still donate a monthly payment to her, the rest can go on as citizens & have nothing to do with her.

But please - don't force this sycophantic obsession with a lecherous German family on me.
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So you're advocating some people not paying towards our head of state? I assume you're advocating not having a head of state at all then?

Or are you advocating having an elected head of state, a president Blair if you will, which would probably cost more and do less and be far more political...?

And obviously this has the same issue that always comes up, those that do not contribute to the head of state would have to pay back 1 60millionth of the money the government gets from the crown estates, which I think is currently significantly more than each person pays towards the upkeep of the royal family/current head of state.;)

Nice of you to offer to pay more tax though.:p
 
arknor said:
i have a lot of respect for the ones that actually fought on the frontlines.

who was the last royal perosn to do that?

dont give me any of that modern **** where they get sent out to places with minimal risk and earn a few medals just because they are royal
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Question for you... When was the last british monarch to declare war on another nation? The last 200 years have been the MPs doing so. I didn't see Blair fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan, did you?

I did hear of Prince Andrew flying helicopter missions in the Falklands war however (in fact SF missions, so more dangerous than normal helicopter missions)...

EDIT: Oh, and Prince Phillip

After leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the top cadet in his course.[17] He was commissioned as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean, followed by shorter postings on HM Ships Kent, Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). After the invasion of Greece by Italy in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet.[18] Among other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete, was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan where he controlled the battleship's searchlights.
Philip was also awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour.[17] Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia.[19]
Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark was promoted to sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections.[20] In June 1942, he was appointed to the V and W class destroyer and flotilla leader, HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily.[21] Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace, at 21 years old one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. During the invasion of Sicily, in July 1943, as second in command of HMS Wallace, he saved his ship from a night bomber attack. He devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed.[21] In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[22][23] He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to the United Kingdom on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.[24]
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Then there is Harry, who went to Afghanistan, however we don't know where he went so that may come under your last sentence.

The question still stands though, when did the last British Prime Minister or other nations head of state fight in a war they started?
 
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Then and now:

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Flukester said:
The chav scum society we live in rears its head yet again. Spotty teenagers with no respect, or whinging layabouts who prolly can't even hold down a job and instead want what others have for free.

The monarchy id hazard a guess brings in A lot of revenue for GB LTD

I wish those anti royalists who hate British tradition and values would get the hell out of our country.... I don't want anything to do with you
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They are probably... In fact, looking at the names, are... generally the people complaining about immigrants not respecting our culture and heritage as well.:D

But then the arguments by Cheets et al. never really were about heritage and culture, rather straight up racism/xenophobia. At least we now have some proof.;)

EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting all anti royalists are racist, just that some more vocal members on here seem to be rather two faced.
 
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elmarko1234 said:
Ahh that old gem.

Congratulations on using the same style argument as the fundamentalist Christians do in America - it's nice to know what level you are on.

You make it sound like we didn't have to fight for hundreds of years against the monarchy to get the level of democracy we have currently.

Regarding the world war comment.

Do you really think people fought for the queen?, or to stop family members getting killed by bombs?.

Our royal family would have been on the first plane to out of the UK had we started to lose the war - much like the Royals of europe did.

Regarding world war 2..., you mean Edward VIII the Nazi sympathiser?

On another note.

"Duke_and_Duchess_of_Windsor_meet_Adolf_Hitler_1937"

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The flag waving stupidity displayed around the country this weekend makes me ashamed to be British, we really are as bad as the Americans.
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You know what that is? That's Neville Chamberlain (the then prime minister) in 1938 ;)

What's your point?

EDIT: Epic number of posts next to each other... That's what you get for coming in to a thread late...
 
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Read this a minute ago and it is perfectly true.

I was put off by the shrill and sour certainty of too much British republicanism. Any thinking republican can see that his is a minority cause, yet there is usually a complete lack of interest in why any sane person might disagree. The only explanation is that three-quarters of the population have been duped by monarchist propaganda. There is no democratic route to a republic without persuading a majority. Telling the people you need that they are stupid, unthinking drones has seldom proved an effective way to persuade converts. Democratic republicans are right to claim that theirs is a legitimate democratic project and, indeed, that it is in a noble tradition. However, they should also acknowledge that our constitutional monarchy, too, has democratic legitimacy as well as strong and sustained public support.
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elmarko1234 said:
I use this as an opportunity to laugh at people who support both the monarchy & equality - I try to get them to explain how it isn't a case of clear cognitive dissonance.
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+1.

I have little time for conservatives who worship backward hierarchial structures/institutions like the monarchy.

Similarly, I have even less for liberals who hypocritically defend the monarchy even though it flies in the face of one of the fundamental principles of their professed ideology: equality before the law.
 
Floogie said:
+1.

I have little time for conservatives who worship backward hierarchial structures/institutions like the monarchy.

Similarly, I have even less for liberals who hypocritically defend the monarchy even though it flies in the face of one of the fundamental principles of their professed ideology: equality before the law.
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Pragmatism trumps idealism.

I wouldn't create a monarchy, but we have one, and it functions.
 
Floogie said:
+1.

I have little time for conservatives who worship backward hierarchial structures/institutions like the monarchy.

Similarly, I have even less for liberals who hypocritically defend the monarchy even though it flies in the face of one of the fundamental principles of their professed ideology: equality before the law.
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Are you suggesting the royal family break the law and get away with it?

If that is the case I'd be interested to see the evidence for that.
 
Floogie said:
+1.

I have little time for conservatives who worship backward hierarchial structures/institutions like the monarchy.

Similarly, I have even less for liberals who hypocritically defend the monarchy even though it flies in the face of one of the fundamental principles of their professed ideology: equality before the law.
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You offered plenty of time to read the thread and construct a reply though. Maybe some people here should reconsider how they prioritise their time no?
 
Floogie said:
+1.

I have little time for conservatives who worship backward hierarchial structures/institutions like the monarchy.

Similarly, I have even less for liberals who hypocritically defend the monarchy even though it flies in the face of one of the fundamental principles of their professed ideology: equality before the law.
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+1

how people who call themselves liberal support an outdated hypocrisy such as the British monarchy is hypocrisy itself

all this fawning over the queen this weekend is sickening to be honest
 
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