**** The Official Prometheus Spoiler Discussion Thread ****

Woody__ said:
Do you have a source for this?

Also, even if this film was extended to three hours with more footage I still don't think it would save this film. It's terribly written. If anything, by making it longer it'll only serve to highlight that even more.

EDIT: Two hour runtime doesn't mean you'll get a bigger audience. The biggest film released this year was 2 and a half hours long.
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Charlize mentions here that there is a scene between Vickers and Janek after she has just killed Holloway. Seems to be a sort of moody scene. It is one thing that people moaned about (that she just murders Holloway and then nothing more is said of it)... so from that perspective it is surely a good thing.

And Guy Pearce mentions that basically all of his scenes were cut. He reckons there is about 20 minutes of footage of himself that is missing...
 
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NathanE said:

Charlize mentions here that there is a scene between Vickers and Janek after she has just killed Holloway. Seems to be a sort of moody scene. It is one thing that people moaned about (that she just murders Holloway and then nothing more is said of it)... so from that perspective it is surely a good thing.

And Guy Pearce mentions that basically all of his scenes were cut. He reckons there is about 20 minutes of footage of himself that is missing...
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I don't think he was being entirely serious there.

I believe Scott when he says he won't be doing a directors cut.
 
Woody__ said:
I don't think he was being entirely serious there.

I believe Scott when he says he won't be doing a directors cut.
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You don't know Ridley then, is all I can say. He does this every time. Every big movie of his he will say there won't be a DC and then there is.

Alien
Blade Runner
Gladiator
Black Hawk Down
Kingdom of Heaven
American Gangster
Robin Hood

He actually invented the concept of a director's cut! As he got so peed off with the studios cutting his movies to shreds for the theatres.
 
Did anyone else get the impression that the Engineer might have gone into ragemode because when he picked David up (and started to caress him curiously/affectionately) he realised he was synthetic, which may have been abhorrent to his race?
 
gettothechopper said:
I get some of the complaints but a lot is just nonsence

why can she walk after surgery ? its the future ! in space! with monster things! and robots that look like people! LOL
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Don't be ridiculous. The film sets its own parameters and it broke them in that scene. Just because it's a sci-fi doesn't mean that everyone can suddenly fly half way through the film.

Humans are still humans and the surgery cut through her stomach with a laser and stapled them back up. Nothing in that scene or any other suggests that we are some super evolved race that can suddenly and randomly refuse tissue muscle in the space of 10 seconds.


atpbx said:
You best have words with anyone who's had a c section, my first wife was walking herself around the ward after 24 hours.
Artistic license and super duper future space drugs.
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Walking 24 hours after != running 10 seconds after. You can throw around "artistic license" as much as you want, but it was still ridiculous.
 
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Burt said:
Did anyone else get the impression that the Engineer might have gone into ragemode because when he picked David up (and started to caress him curiously/affectionately) he realised he was synthetic, which may have been abhorrent to his race?
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Nope. Weyland was shouting at David to "ask him". In the end he did, almost reluctantly, as though he knew what would happen.

What he asked him was something like "You see that old man there, is there anything you can do to make him immortal?"

That's all they went there for. So when Weyland is saying "ask him! ask him!" there can only be one thing that he asked.
 
Waylands command to David was "Tell him we arrived. Tell him we came like he asked" IIRC. Fassenbender apparently said in an interview that he knows what David said because the "language" coaches had it "translated" for his scene but he doesn't think it's relevant what was said. The scene was all about one side being mighty and the other insignificant. I don't think that's particularly good explanation but I can accept that.
 
NathanE said:
You don't know Ridley then, is all I can say. He does this every time. Every big movie of his he will say there won't be a DC and then there is.

Alien
Blade Runner
Gladiator
Black Hawk Down
Kingdom of Heaven
American Gangster
Robin Hood

He actually invented the concept of a director's cut! As he got so peed off with the studios cutting his movies to shreds for the theatres.
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6 movies out of 29 is not "every time". Nor are all of his "big films" re-released as directors cuts. Similarly, Alien does not have a director's cut, rather it has an alternate cut, one that Ridley Scott was asked to do at the behest of Fox in order to market the release of Alien quadrilogy in 2003. He's on record as saying he's happy with both version of Alien, and that perhaps the original version is his version of choice (I believe he explains this in the linear notes of the Alien Quadrilogy boxset). You'll also notice that all four Alien films in the quadrilogy have alternate versions, too.

Also, the first film to have a director's cut is probably Heaven's Gate by Michael Cimino. Scott did not invent the director's cut, I'm afraid.
 
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I found it enjoyable enough. It has some proper 'eh?' moments, but it's not horrendously bad.

I'd give it 7/10, a point of that being for the amazing visuals. Those suits with the yellow glow were just awesome to look at I thought.
 
Burt said:
Did anyone else get the impression that the Engineer might have gone into ragemode because when he picked David up (and started to caress him curiously/affectionately) he realised he was synthetic, which may have been abhorrent to his race?
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That's what I kind of thought too.

Seeing as the Engineers created humans, and then humans created an artificial lifeform i.e. David, it got angry at that turn of events, like as if humans should not be that advanced to create such a thing and it was a mistake.

Who know'?. There's been so many theories.
 
So I got tired of thinking about all the plot holes etc in Prometheus and started watching the original films...

Alien: so, why does Weyland-Yutani equip a multi-million dollar refinery with a self-destruct system anyway?

Aliens: there were 157 colonists and they're cocooned as hosts for the aliens. Not all of them have hatched yet... Where do all the endless hordes of aliens come from? Out of the goddam walls! Yes, but...

Alien 3: exempt!
 
Saw it today, and the only thing that I could come up with (and haven't seen mentioned here) is..

That emergency pod for Charlie Theron, was meant to be her personal survival cell, equipped with medical surgery machine.. Yet when stomach woman goes inside for an emergency cescarian it states that it is currently calibrated for a male body.

I'm guessing you can explain it was for Weyland?

EDIT: Saw it mentioned above :p

My take on the David situation was, he asked the engineer to "fix" Weyland, which I believe enraged him. They obviously wanted to destroy humanity (perhaps because they could see how things were evolving on earth) and then a man comes along and says "fix this old guy kthanksbye".
 
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From Wiki, there's a lot of info here that probably relates to the underlying message of the film.


Prometheus (Greek: Προμηθεύς) is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who in Greek mythology is credited with the creation of man from clay and the theft of fire for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization. He is known for his intelligence, and as a champion of mankind

The punishment of Prometheus as a consequence of the theft is a major theme of his mythology, and is a popular subject of both ancient and modern art. Zeus, king of the Olympian gods, sentenced the Titan to eternal torment for his transgression. The immortal Prometheus was bound to a rock, where each day an eagle, the emblem of Zeus, was sent to feed on his liver, only to have it grow back to be eaten again the next day.
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In the Western classical tradition, Prometheus became a figure who represented human striving, particularly the quest for scientific knowledge, and the risk of overreaching or unintended consequences. In particular, he was regarded in the Romantic era as embodying the lone genius whose efforts to improve human existence could also result in tragedy

Prometheus, however, stole back fire in a giant fennel-stalk and restored it to mankind. This further enraged Zeus, who sent Pandora, the first woman, to live with men [...]
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After Prometheus' theft of fire, Zeus sent Pandora in retaliation. Despite Prometheus' warning, Epimetheus accepted this "gift" from the gods. Pandora carried a jar with her, from which were released (91–92) "evils, harsh pain and troublesome diseases which give men death". Pandora shut the lid of the jar too late to contain all the evil plights that escaped, but foresight remained in the jar, giving mankind hope.
 
I'm only really familiar with the "fire to mankind" part of the myth since that one is pretty common, but reading the rest of that, there certainly are a lot of allusions in the film now that we see it.

The creation of human kind and the "aliens" could either be unintended or intended consequence.

And the black gooey stuff from the vase/jar thingys that caused so much trouble for the Engineers and human crew is the Pandora's Box.
 
Prometheus mythology is a bit of an afterthought. The original script was called Paradise and the ship up until the prop preparation for principal photography was called Magellan. If the rumours and exaggerated partial bits of interviews are true - Spaiths idea was apparently more about Magellan crew expecting to see proto ancestors - Adam and Eve in Paradise (rather than Engineers/Gods), and what they found was more alike Paradise being empty and only evil snake hanging around (pardon the joke, it's hard to keep straight face in this case). Lindelof offered Prometheus story as more universally appealing, still fits and is a departure from cliche ridden Christian mythology more than anything else.
 
I am not really sure why so many people have slated it as harsh as they have. OK it may not be an absolute masterpiece, but it still was a good Sci-Fi movie. I didn't go in expecting another Alien. I knew this was going to be different. And because I didn't have such high expectations, I think that helped me to enjoy it and take it for what it is. I thoroughly enjoyed this whole concept about humans being created from other life forms. It's also something they explored in the X-Files TV series as well, which was also interesting.

There is obvious lack of character development in the film - you don't really 'feel' for them much, but at the same time you can tell stuff is missing. The Guy Pearce vid of him as a young Wayland giving a speech is missing, so if that is anything to go by, then I expect the missing stuff to make a more rounded film.

I saw it in 2D so can't comment on 3D, but this seems like one of the first movies along with Avatar that has me nearly convinced that Digital is there for replacing film. Film will always be film, but these 4k/5k monster digital cameras are slowly shaping up to be very nice pictures. They still have some way to go before they are better than IMAX in my opinion, but it won't be long. The Hobbit will be another one which will be showcasing digital technology.
 
markweatherill said:
So I got tired of thinking about all the plot holes etc in Prometheus and started watching the original films...

Alien: so, why does Weyland-Yutani equip a multi-million dollar refinery with a self-destruct system anyway?

Aliens: there were 157 colonists and they're cocooned as hosts for the aliens. Not all of them have hatched yet... Where do all the endless hordes of aliens come from? Out of the goddam walls! Yes, but...

Alien 3: exempt!
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Exactly.. the originals had plot holes, more than those mentioned above. (not to mention Alien 4 as well)

I think prometheus has done exactly what he wanted it to do.. spark debate and build up anticipation for the Directors edition then sequel.
 
markweatherill said:
So I got tired of thinking about all the plot holes etc in Prometheus and started watching the original films...

Alien: so, why does Weyland-Yutani equip a multi-million dollar refinery with a self-destruct system anyway?
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When ocean going ships suffer steering malfunctions & beach themselves/wreck etc, things get messy, just imagine what would happen if a towing vessel/refinery suffered a navigation failure & smeared itself all over the earth, the loss of life & ensuing litigation would be biblical in proportion.

Common sense would dictate that any vessel over a set tonnage who's home "port" was earth, would be equipped with a self destruct to avoid such scenarios. ;)
 
All the self destruct on the Nostromo did was disengage the reactor cooling.. When Ripley tries to disable the self destruct and fails she shouts to Mother that "i've turned the cooling back on.."

but there are other plot issues in Alien and Aliens as well..
 
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