**** The Official Prometheus Spoiler Discussion Thread ****

Question though which no one seems to have picked up on...

The machine is set up for male patients only... yet Vickers says she brought along the capsule for herself to keep her well in case the worst happens (she confirms that when she meets the scientists in her quarters) so unless she is a chick with a **** why the heck is machine set up to heal men? :confused:

Another stupid plot hole for you right there :p

Vickers didn't say it was for her, Shaw just assumed it was for her because it was in her section of the ship. But because we later find out that Weyland is also in there, we're supposed to assume it's for him given he's only got a few days left to live.
 
I did thoroughly enjoy the film at the time of viewing though looking back it's rather imperfect.

For instance, why did they open the bloody door! Oh look, our dead ship mate is knocking, maybe we should let him in, perhaps he brought beer. Also, flamethrowers, really? You can fly to the stars but you can't come up with a better decontamination method than a flamethrower.

In fact that whole zombie interlude was rather pointless, all it served to do was kill off some of the excess crew.
 
Not read everything on here but, When she wanted to quarantine the away team, why did Charlize open the cargo bay door in order to say "No, you can't come in".

Personally, I'd have said that with the doors closed! :)
 
"1. The dreams sequence. David can watch Shaw's dreams. Amazingly this technology also cuts from scene to scene like a movie camera...Please. No one dreams like that.
Artistic license. It's a movie. Plenty of other sci-fi films have used similar editing. See "The Minority Report" for one.

2. How did they randomly find the temple so quick? This is an entire planet surface!
They obviously detected its approximate location from space. And as soon as Holloway spotted the straight Nazca-style lines on the surface he got excited and asked the ship's pilot to zero in on that location.

3. Why was the landing so soft and easy?
It's a modern ship. With cutting edge technology. It isn't some industrial barge ship like the Nostromo.

4. Why does Fifield start screaming at Shaw like that? Calm down mate..jeez..And later on with an Alien cobra he is cool as ice.
Fifield shouldn't have been on the mission in the first place. He was unstable. This was alluded to later in the movie when it is suggested that actually all the crew were just picked out of a hat almost. They didn't really care on team fit, mental stability or what have you. They just needed some joe schmoes to go down there and stir on the hornets nest. Sure it can be argued that's all that Hollywood needed too... Again, it's a movie!

5. Why does that moron Buddy Holly scientist try and touch the cobra alien? not once....not twice...but 3 TIMES!!!
Why does Kane go and touch the egg in Alien 1? When the entire audience was begging him not too...

6. Why on earth would a scientist remove their helmets in a possibly infected temple? I am just a civilian and even I understand the concept of VIRUS CONTAMINATION ON AN ALIEN FRIGGIN PLANET. They then have the cheek to talk about Shaw's strict quarantine fail-safe procedures...please
Because Holloway removed his, and its human psychology in this sort of situation that when one person has done it (and not died) then generally everyone does it too. Perhaps the helmets are claustrophobic.

7. What does this Black Goo do exactly? Accelerate worm growth? Infect crew members? Cause pregnancies? Create life? Pick one and stick to it please
It's still being speculated on. There is a theory that the green goo creates life and the black goo destroys it (or weaponises it). The only person that actually touched the black goo was Holloway and it was in such a small quantity that it took ages to have any effect. But then his body started decomposing like the Sacrifice Engineer at the start of the movie. Shaw didn't touch it, she only had sex with Holloway and it can be surmised that when you do this then a bad ugly proto alien is the result... Fifield didn't touch the black goo either. He got spat on by a proto alien (in the form of a Hammerpede) and this seemed to turn him into a zombie of sorts. The other scientist also didn't touch the black goo, he just got a Hammerpede down his throat instead.

I don't understand why people got so confused over the black goo. Maybe it just needs more than one viewing to take it all in. But I took it all in fine on just my first viewing :confused:

8. Why does Ford straight away start giving the head electricity for kicks? Do they not have procedures? What is this fun with Frankenstein?
Okay this is probably the weakest scene in the movie. The real key to the scene was the carbon dating, revealing the Engineer had died ~2000 years ago. Everything else was just Hollywood filler I think.

9. Why does the head explode?
No idea.

10. Why are the medical staff so damn careless with a possibly disease ridden and bacteria infested decapitated head? I swear they didn’t even wear plastic gloves. At one point I thought they were going to lick it like Hanson the caretaker from Scary Movie 2...
I think they were pretty careful TBH. When things started going wrong they immediately ordered a containment as well.

11. How did Shaw know the Jockey was heading to Earth to destroy it? Pretty big assumption from a couple of punches thrown here and there..no she didn't see the starmap that was afterwards...
Because David told her if I remember correctly. Nobody knows yet if it was actually preprogrammed to head to earth. Or whether David, by playing with the star map menuing system, had inadvertantly "selected" earth from the list of planets.

12. How does David know the Space Jockey is heading to kill Shaw on the Medical Bay? He is grounded on the floor...
He obviously saw the Engineer get out of the chair after the Croissant crashed. What's hard to believe about that? :confused:

13. How does Shaw know her baby will attack the Jockey?
She doesn't. The look on her face says she is terrified and looking like she is about to meet her maker (ooh er). She hits the door release button in a last ditch attempt to get her off the hook.

14. Shaw has this 'baby' but fails to mention the horrific and super extraordinary situation she had just been through.
''oh hey guys, ha ha, nearly forgot. FYI, you won't believe what just happened to me on the way here''....''i just gave birth to an alien..''
''yeah, i know CRAZY right, considering i had sex only 10 BLOODY HRS AGO!!''
That's because they all knew. She collapses into a room full of people that were all "in on it". David kept the whole inner circle there informed. So when she arrives with a stapled abdomen they already know what's happened. The music for this scene changes also and becomes a sort of deceitful tune - to provide a hint to those who weren't following the story up to now.

15. The whole Vickers' Star Wars 'Father' line...
There was a lot of competition between David and Vickers. I don't remember all the specifics on this sub-plot so need another viewing.

16. The 'bet' between the co-pilots was cringeworthy
Pass. Don't remember this bit. Just like nobody remembered the banter between the two mechanics on Nostromo (Alien) after their first viewing.

17. HUGE ONE…How the hell does Shaw walk after abdominal surgery? If abdominal muscle is cut you can NOT walk, the muscle needs to be sewn back…But no, a few staples and she is good to go…
I guess this can be put down to a combination of the futuristic surgery, pain killers and sheer determination (something that David points out).

18. Why does the tentacle creature have tentacles from the evil Planet X?
Because that's what happens if you mix black goo with a human sperm cell... Just like if you mix black goo with a centipede you get a Hammerpede. The black goo can do two things 1) deconstruct life, or 2) weaponise life.

19. Why do the space jockeys allow any old tramp to walk in an use their security hologram systems?
The temple didn't have a main security door either. And they left invitations all over the galaxy pointing to this planet. Could it be that, originally, this place was intended for "shared" use?

This is a pretty minor thing that hasn't been explained yet. It's so minor that I doubt it ever will be? It's not hard to believe that an alien outpost will also let humans/androids interact with their computer systems. If it wasn't for the quarantine failure ~2000 years ago, presumably there would have been security guard engineers...

20. Why does the space jockey want to kill…You’d think an advanced race would be a little civilized?
This is still being speculated on. There are some good theories out there by now, you should go read them.

21. What was the point of Guy Pearce as Weyland? Why was he even there? So he just assumed this temple would contain a fountain of youth…..right….I guess he ‘chose to believe’ too…
When it's your only remaining shot at extending your life you would surely take it. I don't think he believed to save extent that Shaw did. He was there based on hope.

22. Why does Shaw "choose to believe"? And why does she have that same Dad and subplot from the movie "Contact" (except this time it was Ebola, not a heart attack)
A lot of people in the world believe what Shaw does. That there is a god and that, if you ever met him, he would be pleased to see you. It's not exactly far fetched!

23. (Thanks to Stringer) Why does captain of a ship Janek and project manager Vickers, in charge of the well-being of the crew, leave two crew members unobserved in an alien cave while they have sex, with little regard for their safety?
Along with the "engineer head dissection" scene, probably this one too would have been better left on the cutting room floor. The first part of the scene was okay ("Are you a robot?"). But the second part about ("Meet me in my quarters in 10 minutes") was a little over the top. But I don't know, I need a second viewing to make sure. These sort of things might be cleared up in a director's cut anyway. Remember this was a FOX movie and the whole white blonde chick getting it on with a black guy thing is kind of on the up right now...

24. Why does Lindelof still have a career after this many failures?

25. What was with the little flute and Fisher Price squishy buttons?"
It's a distinctly alien way to control a space ship I would say. I thought it was cool.

Why are people continuing to defend a film riddled with this many inconsistencies?
Because, shock horror, a lot of people actually liked it? Hell, many are going back for second or third viewings?
 
Artistic license. It's a movie. Plenty of other sci-fi films have used similar editing. See "The Minority Report" for one.


They obviously detected its approximate location from space. And as soon as Holloway spotted the straight Nazca-style lines on the surface he got excited and asked the ship's pilot to zero in on that location.


It's a modern ship. With cutting edge technology. It isn't some industrial barge ship like the Nostromo.


Fifield shouldn't have been on the mission in the first place. He was unstable. This was alluded to later in the movie when it is suggested that actually all the crew were just picked out of a hat almost. They didn't really care on team fit, mental stability or what have you. They just needed some joe schmoes to go down there and stir on the hornets nest. Sure it can be argued that's all that Hollywood needed too... Again, it's a movie!


Why does Kane go and touch the egg in Alien 1? When the entire audience was begging him not too...


Because Holloway removed his, and its human psychology in this sort of situation that when one person has done it (and not died) then generally everyone does it too. Perhaps the helmets are claustrophobic.


It's still being speculated on. There is a theory that the green goo creates life and the black goo destroys it (or weaponises it). The only person that actually touched the black goo was Holloway and it was in such a small quantity that it took ages to have any effect. But then his body started decomposing like the Sacrifice Engineer at the start of the movie. Shaw didn't touch it, she only had sex with Holloway and it can be surmised that when you do this then a bad ugly proto alien is the result... Fifield didn't touch the black goo either. He got spat on by a proto alien (in the form of a Hammerpede) and this seemed to turn him into a zombie of sorts. The other scientist also didn't touch the black goo, he just got a Hammerpede down his throat instead.

I don't understand why people got so confused over the black goo. Maybe it just needs more than one viewing to take it all in. But I took it all in fine on just my first viewing :confused:


Okay this is probably the weakest scene in the movie. The real key to the scene was the carbon dating, revealing the Engineer had died ~2000 years ago. Everything else was just Hollywood filler I think.


No idea.


I think they were pretty careful TBH. When things started going wrong they immediately ordered a containment as well.


Because David told her if I remember correctly. Nobody knows yet if it was actually preprogrammed to head to earth. Or whether David, by playing with the star map menuing system, had inadvertantly "selected" earth from the list of planets.


He obviously saw the Engineer get out of the chair after the Croissant crashed. What's hard to believe about that? :confused:


She doesn't. The look on her face says she is terrified and looking like she is about to meet her maker (ooh er). She hits the door release button in a last ditch attempt to get her off the hook.


That's because they all knew. She collapses into a room full of people that were all "in on it". David kept the whole inner circle there informed. So when she arrives with a stapled abdomen they already know what's happened. The music for this scene changes also and becomes a sort of deceitful tune - to provide a hint to those who weren't following the story up to now.


There was a lot of competition between David and Vickers. I don't remember all the specifics on this sub-plot so need another viewing.


Pass. Don't remember this bit. Just like nobody remembered the banter between the two mechanics on Nostromo (Alien) after their first viewing.


I guess this can be put down to a combination of the futuristic surgery, pain killers and sheer determination (something that David points out).


Because that's what happens if you mix black goo with a human sperm cell... Just like if you mix black goo with a centipede you get a Hammerpede. The black goo can do two things 1) deconstruct life, or 2) weaponise life.


The temple didn't have a main security door either. And they left invitations all over the galaxy pointing to this planet. Could it be that, originally, this place was intended for "shared" use?

This is a pretty minor thing that hasn't been explained yet. It's so minor that I doubt it ever will be? It's not hard to believe that an alien outpost will also let humans/androids interact with their computer systems. If it wasn't for the quarantine failure ~2000 years ago, presumably there would have been security guard engineers...


This is still being speculated on. There are some good theories out there by now, you should go read them.


When it's your only remaining shot at extending your life you would surely take it. I don't think he believed to save extent that Shaw did. He was there based on hope.


A lot of people in the world believe what Shaw does. That there is a god and that, if you ever met him, he would be pleased to see you. It's not exactly far fetched!


Along with the "engineer head dissection" scene, probably this one too would have been better left on the cutting room floor. The first part of the scene was okay ("Are you a robot?"). But the second part about ("Meet me in my quarters in 10 minutes") was a little over the top. But I don't know, I need a second viewing to make sure. These sort of things might be cleared up in a director's cut anyway. Remember this was a FOX movie and the whole white blonde chick getting it on with a black guy thing is kind of on the up right now...




It's a distinctly alien way to control a space ship I would say. I thought it was cool.


Because, shock horror, a lot of people actually liked it? Hell, many are going back for second or third viewings?

quite possibly the best turd-polishing attempt I've encountered on the internet.

unfortunately - by definition - you're bound to failure.
 
Oh come on. The main criticism of this film should be that if they dated the cave paintings at the beginning to c. 35000 years BC then skye should have been under around 1km of ice. How in the hell did primitive man manage to find a cave in skye during the last glacial maximum?!!!

/Salsa
 
Oh come on. The main criticism of this film should be that if they dated the cave paintings at the beginning to c. 35000 years BC then skye should have been under around 1km of ice. How in the hell did primitive man manage to find a cave in skye during the last glacial maximum?!!!

/Salsa

Aliens :D
 
The operation/post-operation scene(s) ruined it for me. One of those things that throughout I could at least be "ok, I can work with this", but then something like that comes along and just tips it over the edge of realism, even in a scifi.

There is no way she would have not passed out during the operation and there's no way she'd be able to walk let alone run/suit up/carry things afterwards. No amount of technologically advanced anaesthetic or drug can get over the fact that her stomach muscles aren't physically connected.
 
Fifield shouldn't have been on the mission in the first place. He was unstable.

I don't think I'm far off when I recall Fifield was actually smoking some non-prescription es through respirator right before his final moments.

Because David told her if I remember correctly. Nobody knows yet if it was actually preprogrammed to head to earth. Or whether David, by playing with the star map menuing system, had inadvertantly "selected" earth from the list of planets.

David didn't tell her. After having his head ripped off David doesn't speak up until the scene where he informs Shaw the Engineer is "coming for her" (although he has no information about it at all, he's on the floor, for all he knows the Engineer popped out to the loo). Shaw conclusion that the Engineer s hate us and that this particular one is heading for earth is based on nothing that we would know of or seen in the movie. She has one conversation with Janek about his presumptions how LV233 is a WMD base where something got out" earlier on, but she's not a witness to any of the black goo happenings, up until the last moments before presuming that vases are meant for earth she believes pathogen that killed Holloway was airborne.
When David selects earth on the map, he's alone and somehow not observed by anyone on Prometheus deck (everyone is busy with Vickers waving flame thrower around). David also does not share any info about Engineer flight deck being a flight deck with anyone. Shaw is also not present in the room when Engineer begins starting procedure, she doesn't witness or see anything to do with preselection on star map. She's not even aware Engineers chair or star map even exists. Not only Shaw doesn't know where the Engineer is heading, but in fact at that point she doesn't even know that the chamber was part of a stand alone ship.
She is however, at that point, under influence of two sedation injections in a row she received earlier on that afternoon, two painkiller injections she administered to herself and at least half a dozen pills she swallowed right before embarking on a Wayland walkabout mission.

He obviously saw the Engineer get out of the chair after the Croissant crashed. What's hard to believe about that? :confused:

And how does he know where Engineer is heading? Maybe he's just trying to get to next ship? How does David know the Engineer popped outside (without space suit) and is trying to find Vickers pod on the surface? Engineer, revengeful or not, also had no idea who shot him down, where Shaw was and what Vickers pod looked like among all the debris on the surface.

That's because they all knew. She collapses into a room full of people that were all "in on it". David kept the whole inner circle there informed. So when she arrives with a stapled abdomen they already know what's happened.
But in that case why wouldn't they want to know what happened to Alien baby?

The music for this scene changes also and becomes a sort of deceitful tune - to provide a hint to those who weren't following the story up to now.
But then again, that's the moment of the whole pointless "tada! Wayland is still alive, fool you" reveal.
 
The operation/post-operation scene(s) ruined it for me. One of those things that throughout I could at least be "ok, I can work with this", but then something like that comes along and just tips it over the edge of realism, even in a scifi.

There is no way she would have not passed out during the operation and there's no way she'd be able to walk let alone run/suit up/carry things afterwards. No amount of technologically advanced anaesthetic or drug can get over the fact that her stomach muscles aren't physically connected.

Surely procedures like that they dont cut the muscles though? They just squeeze in between them or something. That seen is absurd with the staples though, superglue would have been better.
 
half the moaning is people not understanding what they saw

the other half is stuff that has been left purposely left ambiguous for a sequel

I get some of the complaints but a lot is just nonsence

why can she walk after surgery ? its the future ! in space! with monster things! and robots that look like people! LOL
 
half the moaning is people not understanding what they saw

the other half is stuff that has been left purposely left ambiguous for a sequel

I get some of the complaints but a lot is just nonsence

why can she walk after surgery ? its the future ! in space! with monster things! and robots that look like people! LOL

Exactly. Whilst the movie definitely wasn't absolutely perfect, neither was Alien or Blade Runner. Especially their theatrical cuts.

Prometheus apparently has around 30 mins of additional footage that was cut because FOX wanted to cram in the theatre viewings. A directors cut will be even better.
 
Exactly. Whilst the movie definitely wasn't absolutely perfect, neither was Alien or Blade Runner. Especially their theatrical cuts.

Prometheus apparently has around 30 mins of additional footage that was cut because FOX wanted to cram in the theatre viewings. A directors cut will be even better.

They can add as much as they want in this case, the direction is poor, the acting is horrible, the plot is screwed and nonsensical, the music is average at best and they have generated so many questions that not even 4 sequels will sort it. I did not waste my time with Lost, I will not waste with other versions of this film, if they want me to watch a movie then show it like is intended to be, not more marketing gimmicks.

This movie is mediocre almost at every level and director's cut is not going to save it, I am afraid.
 
This movie is mediocre almost at every level and director's cut is not going to save it, I am afraid.

Let's give credit where credit is due. Visually, it was perfect. Both Wolski and Scott done superbly good job. Fassbender done his performance as close to Oscar as the script let him. Script however, is legend braking. It's Phantom Menace of Alien franchise.

The problem is - good visuals will fade away with time, good story and performance never does. We don't care how bad chroma key is in those few space shots in Alien, we dont' care that Mother room looks like a bad dream from B&Q Xmas decoration sale. We don't care how much worse visual special effects are in Aliens (and oh my god, ship scenes are just so bad, compared even to movies of the same age). The script, story and performances make those movies what they are.

Prometheus is carried only by good CGI. Two, three years from now every mid budget TV series will have those visuals and that will be left will be the incoherent drivel, massive plot holes everywhere and what can be only described as teenager tripping on shrooms style pseudo reveals ("and then...hold you breath... the old guy you didn't give an ef about... IS.. you better sit down for this... TADA!!!!... alive and hidden in mop closet). Some of us watched it multiple times by now and we still don't remember more than half of the 17 passengers of Prometheus. We will not remember Millburn like we did Kane. Vickers won't be the new universally disliked corporate stooge like Burke. Shaw blobbing "I can't do this Charlie..." every five minutes, sure as hell is not replacement for Ripley. Hands up who would rather see sequel about Charlize Theron character surviving, fighting that pteroxenomorph and exploring LV-233 further instead of Roomi in a Croissant doing trip to home planet of The Exploding Head Giants to ask "why, why, why do you hate me?!!!".

Both Scott and Lideloff owe us answers, if not to the movie plot, then at least to why make prequel to alien and do everything possible not to have any alien elements in it at all?
 
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just back from seeing this, has this been mentioned earlier in the thread?

weylands daughter realy his son? sex change made the father disappointed in his son which inspired him to make a son in his sons image? what made me think this is the medic pod only being programed for male procedures?

might be stabbing in the dark
 
just back from seeing this, has this been mentioned earlier in the thread?

weylands daughter realy his son? sex change made the father disappointed in his son which inspired him to make a son in his sons image? what made me think this is the medic pod only being programed for male procedures?

might be stabbing in the dark

think the med pod was there only for the Weyland incase anything happen when he defrosted
 
just back from seeing this, has this been mentioned earlier in the thread?

weylands daughter realy his son? sex change made the father disappointed in his son which inspired him to make a son in his sons image? what made me think this is the medic pod only being programed for male procedures?

might be stabbing in the dark

Only if Jeremy Kyle had a hand in writing the script ;)


As bigpig noted, the pod is most likely for Weyland (senior).
 
just back from seeing this, has this been mentioned earlier in the thread?

weylands daughter realy his son? sex change made the father disappointed in his son which inspired him to make a son in his sons image? what made me think this is the medic pod only being programed for male procedures?

might be stabbing in the dark

If thats the outcome of a sex change we better all start warming to the idea of loving she males!!
 
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