Hungarian Grand Prix 2012, Budapest - Race 11/20

The Button thing confused me.

They called to change from Plan A to Plan B earlier, and Button said no so they stayed on Plan A, but then did the stupid 3 stop strategy screw up.

So either Plan A was a 3 stop and the just screwed up right from the off, or Plan B was the 3 stop and they managed to convince Button to switch to it later on.

Either way, when you are on hard tyres holding up the guy behind who is on the softer tyres and you can comfortably drive much further into the race knowing the guy behind had to use the slower tyre, deciding to then pit is just stupid.

Actually, thinking about it, if they were going to 3 stop from the start, I doubt they would have gone SMSM, you would expect them to use 3 stints on the Soft, so it suggests they made the decision to change to a 3 stop somewhere during the 2nd stint, and resulting in them jumping out of the way of Vettel, and then sticking Button out in traffic.

An all around screw up by the McLaren Comedy Strategy Committee, yet again.

Your right, they need to put all the eggs in the Hamilton basket, to the extent that should the situation arise, Button is asked to move over to let Hamilton through.
 
Skeeter said:
The Button thing confused me.

They called to change from Plan A to Plan B earlier, and Button said no so they stayed on Plan A, but then did the stupid 3 stop strategy screw up.

So either Plan A was a 3 stop and the just screwed up right from the off, or Plan B was the 3 stop and they managed to convince Button to switch to it later on.

Either way, when you are on hard tyres holding up the guy behind who is on the softer tyres and you can comfortably drive much further into the race knowing the guy behind had to use the slower tyre, deciding to then pit is just stupid.

Actually, thinking about it, if they were going to 3 stop from the start, I doubt they would have gone SMSM, you would expect them to use 3 stints on the Soft, so it suggests they made the decision to change to a 3 stop somewhere during the 2nd stint, and resulting in them jumping out of the way of Vettel, and then sticking Button out in traffic.

An all around screw up by the McLaren Comedy Strategy Committee, yet again.

Your right, they need to put all the eggs in the Hamilton basket, to the extent that should the situation arise, Button is asked to move over to let Hamilton through.
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Perhaps that is what they were doing, testing a 3-stop strategy on Button to help decide whether to do the same thing for Hamilton ;) :p
 
ci_newman said:
Perhaps that is what they were doing, testing a 3-stop strategy on Button to help decide whether to do the same thing for Hamilton ;) :p
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Maybe, but then that still makes bringing him out in traffic a stupid call.

It wasn't even as if he was held up with a slow stop (they saved that one for Hamilton :rolleyes:).
 
dannyjo22 said:
He won the first race, take away those first 25 points and for the other 10 races he's average 5.1 points per race.
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Why take away the win lol? Although it only takes it up to 6.9, which is still not enough, you can't fiddle the stats to suit you.
 
More lies:

It has emerged in Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport that, after the formation lap, Schumacher parked his silver Mercedes in the wrong grid slot, which is what caused Charlie Whiting to abort the start.
“I radioed the pits to say that he was in my place,” Caterham’s Heikki Kovalainen, who qualified 19th – two places behind Schumacher – said.
HRT’s Pedro de la Rosa, second-to-last on the grid, also sensed something was wrong.
“I didn’t know who was to blame, I just knew that I was in the wrong position,” the Spaniard said.
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http://www.inautonews.com/schumacher-parked-in-wrong-grid-slot
 
Skeeter said:
The Button thing confused me.

They called to change from Plan A to Plan B earlier, and Button said no so they stayed on Plan A, but then did the stupid 3 stop strategy screw up.
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I think but can't be sure that Button didn't say no, he said "Are you sure?" then the team radioed back at said stick with A. Brundle at the time mentioned something about they were responding to one poor lap and then when his pace came up again they changed back to A.

Myself it's a clear indication of how his grid position will keep hurting his tyres this year. Yes he could well be as fast as hamilton in clean air but qualifying 2 or 3 rows back and making the difference on race day kills your tyres on the first section of the race.

Duke said:
Why take away the win lol? Although it only takes it up to 6.9, which is still not enough, you can't fiddle the stats to suit you.
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I was just saying take away the haul of 25 points for the first race of the season and the average over the next 10 is pretty woeful??

It's not a new thing to do this, they don't state a football teams form over the total matches in a season. Of course stats are fiddled with, you hear it every single race weekend. It's not like they state MSC's form over a 150+ race stat ;)
 
Hi, was not JB's stratagy changed, by the team not JB, probably because he was stuck behind slower cars thus he had much more tyre wear than LM. We know that tyre wear is critical with the Mclarens anyway...
Chris
 
It looks like the strategy was changed while he was ahead of Vettel. Being stuck behind slower cars was a result of the strategy change, rather than a reason for it.
 
there were 2 radio calls to button, one in the first stint and one in the second stint. From memory, in the first mclaren said they think they should move to plan b, which button questioned. In the second mclaren said they had no option but to move to plan b, which button OK'd.
 
Skeeter said:
And now one has surfaced, what do you say?
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very bizare on another forum someone is suggestiong kobayashi stopped one box earlier and then creeped forward slowly but even if that happened i would have expected schumacher to be looking forward at the start :S
 
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