Gaming Mouse nerds...I need you

Robbo said:
Steelseries Sensei. The king of gaming mice.

I recently purchased one, after going through a RAT 9 and Razer Mamba first.

It's excellent, and considerably better than the pair of them.
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...ooooh... you have my attention... Damn my slightly odd quest to find the perfect mouse!!! :)
 
Sin_Chase said:
And suck up all the disadvantages that come with wireless and batteries.
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I was trying to point out that suggesting a bungee to someone that had a wireless mouse was a bit pointless. I used cable drag as a point of reference, arguing that there was no difference in responsiveness between a good wireless mouse and a wired. Anyway.

I've seen the battery in the g700 once. The only disadvantage I've come across with it being wireless and having a battery is that when i get down to some gaming I want to detach the data cable and when I'm done, put it back. There's no messing around with batteries and no downside to it being wireless.
 
Like you my first love was a MX518 which I replaced with a G5 which I didn't get on with too well. I then switched to a Steelseries Xai and haven't looked back, comfortable has two thumb buttons, good scroll wheel, DPI button and is very smooth. Can get them new for £40 now, would recommend one!
 
H2F Scott said:
The Deathadder is only £33 new.

The MX518 can be had for £20 or so used. The MX518 has been replaced by the G400, but dunno how expensive the G400 is.

The Deathadder has flawless tracking. The MX518 has mouse prediction. If you don't know what prediction is, it's when the mouse corrects your pointer when drawing straight lines. It makes drawing straight lines much much easier in paint, but you lose some control because of it. Some prefer prediction, most don't notice it, some hate it. It's mostly preference.

Gaming mice are a luxury. They make your gaming (and non-gaming too) experience better by having smoother tracking and generally a nicer feel. Once you use a high quality mouse like the ones I mentioned above, using a cheap one again will feel pretty terrible. Whether or not the higher quality sensors make a difference is entirely up to you. Like I said, I can't use mice with positive acceleration. I use low sensitivity so I swipe my mouse very quickly over pretty long distances. Positive acceleration is quite noticeable for me.

edit: the Logitech G400 is only £25 in the OcUK shop. Amazing mouse for the price. It's pretty much the same as the MX518 except Logitech listened to their customers and fixed the prediction. So it has flawless tracking like the Deathadder.
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£25 is a gamble though, it might not be any different to what I have now for me, is there any actual reason to get one besides what you posted? The way I use my mouse is maximum DPI and very small sharp movements to control it, can a posh mouse enhance that?
 
For fps games, nothing beats the MX518, for MMO's where a whole lot more buttons come into effect, Razer naga or the epic version.
 
Athanor said:
...ooooh... you have my attention... Damn my slightly odd quest to find the perfect mouse!!! :)
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Here's a review from a guy who is pretty much a mouse expert: http://www.overclock.net/t/1168062/evaluation-steelseries-sensei-56k-warning

It's widely considered to be the best gaming mouse, the sensor is top notch. Obviously the fit is personal preference but I found it to be rather excellent.

Steelseries' customer service is pretty damn good too, Razer in comparison aren't great. Logitech, as you may know, are very good as well.

Whether it's worth the extra money is up to you, but for me, it totally was. I read literally thousands of reviews and forum threads trying to decide and the consensus does seem to be the Sensei is the mouse to get.
 
H2F Scott said:
You pretty much want something with the Avago DIP-20 sensor with no mouse prediction if you care about sensor quality at all. Basically, you're looking at the following mice:

Razer Deathadder 3G and 3.5G
Logitech G400
CM Storm Spawn
Zowie EC Evo
Zowie AM

Out of these the G400, CM and Zowie EC have DPI buttons on the mouse itself. Be carefuly about the CM though, I've heard it has an issue with high CPU usage when using VoIP software.

G400 sounds perfect for you.
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H2F Scott knows what he is talking about :D

Zowie EC1 eVo is nicest mouse I've ever used out of an MX518, Roccat Kone[+] and a Zowie EC1 (the eVo was a replacement)

You will see the benefit if you learn to play with a low sensitivity, which everyone should.
 
Robbo said:
Here's a review from a guy who is pretty much a mouse expert: http://www.overclock.net/t/1168062/evaluation-steelseries-sensei-56k-warning

It's widely considered to be the best gaming mouse, the sensor is top notch. Obviously the fit is personal preference but I found it to be rather excellent.

Steelseries' customer service is pretty damn good too, Razer in comparison aren't great. Logitech, as you may know, are very good as well.

Whether it's worth the extra money is up to you, but for me, it totally was. I read literally thousands of reviews and forum threads trying to decide and the consensus does seem to be the Sensei is the mouse to get.
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I just wish it didn't have the positive acceleration, because I'd really like to try out the Sensei. Even if I didn't notice the accel much, it would still niggle at me every time I used it. :(

Not sure how well it works on my Puretrak Talent either. Laser mice generally don't like cloth.
 
H2F Scott said:
I just wish it didn't have the positive acceleration, because I'd really like to try out the Sensei. Even if I didn't notice the accel much, it would still niggle at me every time I used it. :(

Not sure how well it works on my Puretrak Talent either. Laser mice generally don't like cloth.
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I bought the 9HD mat and switched it for the Qck+, I genuinely don't notice the acceleration on either surface.

The 9HD is definitely slightly better but I prefer the cloth personally, it's still very good.
 
Everyone is delusional when it comes to the best "gaming mouse".

Microsoft's Wheel Mouse Optical or Intellimouse are the closest you'll get to the perfect "gaming mouse". Logitech MX518/G400's are fine if you don't mind prediction or high weight, personally they are way too heavy for me and I hate prediction. I've always gone back to my WMO after trying a different mouse.

Virtually everything else is a gimmick, until someone realizes what actually makes a good mouse. The good news is I know of a promising mouse in the works which could be better than the WMO :p
 
oL said:
Everyone is delusional when it comes to the best "gaming mouse".

Microsoft's Wheel Mouse Optical or Intellimouse are the closest you'll get to the perfect "gaming mouse". Logitech MX518/G400's are fine if you don't mind prediction or high weight, personally they are way too heavy for me and I hate prediction. I've always gone back to my WMO after trying a different mouse.

Virtually everything else is a gimmick, until someone realizes what actually makes a good mouse. The good news is I know of a promising mouse in the works which could better than the WMO :p
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Including you it seems.

Let me guess, you play FPS in 800x600 on a CRT.
 
Everyone seems to be a specialist when it comes to this thread XD

All I know is I've seen pro gaming at the highest level that needs mouse precision and they use whichever mouse feels best in terms of shape.

I've even seen them use the cheap throw-away after a few weeks of use mice that are popular in Korea.
 
Sin_Chase said:
Including you it seems.

Let me guess, you play FPS in 800x600 on a CRT.
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I use a 120hz LCD at native resolution, if you must know.

It's the same with every thread, people blinding recommending mice with high weight, prediction, hardware acceleration, high LoD (lift off distance for the ignorant) and over 9000 DPI (or more correctly CPI) - When the fact is, they could get a £10-20 mouse which would do the job much better, I.E. WMO.
 
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oL said:
I use a 120hz CRT at native resolution, if you must know.

It's the same with every thread, people blinding recommending mice with high weight, prediction, hardware acceleration, high LoD (lift off distance for the ignorant) and over 9000 DPI (or more correctly CPI) - When the fact is, they could get a £10-20 mouse which would do the job much better, I.E. WMO.
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What you are ignorant to is that some people prefer value added features, different styles and do not care what you think about the technical 'gimmicks'.

I use a RAT7, not because I think than 5600DPI is awesome (I only set mine to bewteen 1800-2200) or buy into all the other BS marketing but because it's comfortable, has excellent programmability and an additional scroll wheel that I use ALL OF THE DAMN TIME.

I use flat panels not because I think they are better than CRTs technically but the other benefits far outweigh any perceived benefits of using a CRT in 2012. (I hang 3 above my desk, something I wont be doing with any CRT)

A mouse from 10 years ago might be sufficient, in-fact all someone might ever need for gaming. Does not mean modern hardware is devoid of anything to make life easier/better or are simply more desirable in the grand scheme of things outside of bare minimum.
 
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oL said:
I use a 120hz LCD at native resolution, if you must know.

It's the same with every thread, people blinding recommending mice with high weight, prediction, hardware acceleration, high LoD (lift off distance for the ignorant) and over 9000 DPI (or more correctly CPI) - When the fact is, they could get a £10-20 mouse which would do the job much better, I.E. WMO.
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The OP wants on the fly DPI buttons. The WMO while having great tracking doesn't have that.

The G400 does. The G400 doesn't have hardware acceleration, mouse prediction and it has damn good tracking. I'm a bit of an elitist when it comes to mice too, but I at least consider what the OP wants. Also when trying to educate people about mice it's generally better to just give them the facts. Forcing it down people's throats is going to make them not listen to you, even if your information is accurate.
 
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Sin_Chase said:
What you are ignorant to is that some people prefer value added features, different styles and do not care what you think about the technical "gimmicks".

I use a RAT7, not because I think than 5600DPI is awesome (I only set mine to bewtee 1800-2200) or buy into all the other BS marketing but because it's comfortable, has excellent programmability and an additional scroll wheel that I use ALL OF THE DAMN TIME.

I use flat panels not because I think they are better than CRTs technically but the other benefits far outweigh any perceived benefits of using a CRT in 2012. (I hang 3 above my desk, something I wont be doing with any CRT)
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It doesn't matter if people care about the "technical gimmicks", the fact is that they are a hindrance to the overall performance, and people say they are after the perfect gaming mouse.

I am aware that comfort is probably the most important aspect of a mouse, but it doesn't make everything else irrelevant. Fair enough if you want an additional scroll wheel but that is highly situational, not many people will buy a mouse simply for that..

The argument is pointless anyway :p People always regard flashly lights and macro keys (lol) etc above anything else when it comes to "gaming peripherals"


H2F Scott said:
The OP wants on the fly DPI buttons. The WMO while having great tracking doesn't have that.

The G400 does. The G400 doesn't have hardware acceleration, mouse prediction and it has damn good tracking. I'm a bit of an elitist when it comes to mice too, but I at least consider what the OP wants. Also when trying to educate people about mice it's generally better to just give them the facts. Forcing it down people's throats is going to make them not listen to you, even if your information is accurate.
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I was saying in general, I didn't really read the OP properly, just skim read the whole thread. I gave up trying to educate people, at least on this forum :p It was more of a warning, people can take it as they will.

The last time I used a G400 it wasn't possible to turn the prediction off. But come to think of it I heard of a driver update which allowed this, that's pretty good then. However the weight is still not for me.
 
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