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BaZ87 said:
And you have the cheek to comment on the likes of CM not being able to understand basic things? :o
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Whatever way you look at it, that is for sale, we may not have been advertising him (although it would seem we are now for £27m) but he was seen as for sale by the owners. It would be a bit different if we are talking ridiculous amounts, like if someone offered £150m for Suarez you'd take it, but it is £27m when we splashed £20m on Stewart Downing and £35m on Andy Carroll.
 
wedgie said:
That's the thing, nobody can actually know yet which is all we're saying. He doesn't get to test his metal until a bid is accepted. Unless he comes out before then with an unequivocal I am not moving to City or anywhere else, there's nothing too much to read into what anyone is saying other than the usual transfer dance we've all seen a million times before.
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Actually Baz seems to know exactly what Agger means.
 
Purdy said:
Whatever way you look at it, that is for sale, we may not have been advertising him (although it would seem we are now for £27m) but he was seen as for sale by the owners. It would be a bit different if we are talking ridiculous amounts, like if someone offered £150m for Suarez you'd take it, but it is £27m when we splashed £20m on Stewart Downing and £35m on Andy Carroll.
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Agger is only worth more than £27m if you consider those two value for money.
 
Purdy said:
Whatever way you look at it, that is for sale.
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Nearly every single possession you have is up for sale in that case - as I assume you're not a multi billionaire that could turned down a stupid offer for something you own.

If somebody offered you an amount for something you own that you believe would benefit you, you'd sell it. In the same way, if somebody offered Liverpool an amount for Agger that they believe can be used to benefit the club, they should sell him and I suspect they would.

And over spending on Carroll doesn't change the amount needed to replace Agger and improve the squad.

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Actually Baz seems to know exactly what Agger means.
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Yes, he's fine with his situation. And as I've said, I pointed that quote out to you and you seem to believe that the actual situation is only what Agger has said - only when those quotes suit your argument though. You still make assumptions on things that he hasn't said to suit your argument too.
 
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wedgie said:
Agger is only worth more than £27m if you consider those two value for money.
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Well when we take in to account what City spent on Lescott, Dzeko and I don't know who else who cost a fair amount of dosh I'd say its a fair sum at best, certainly not want LFC should be saying would do considering how much Rodwell just went for also.

@Baz, that isn't a stupid amount for Agger though is my view, and hence I wouldn't accept it and putting it as his sale price for a club like City is silly, if we can get mugged £35m for Andy Carroll (yes Torres transfer amount was the apparent basis of this.) we should press City a bit more.

Granted they aren't desperate.

Also what CB can they get of a similar quality for that amount that wants to play for LiverpoolFC? Considering how bad we get mugged in the market and that without Agger and having Carragher in his place is usually like gouging your eyes out is £27m really worth it?
 
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Would like either of Sahin/Tello rumors to be true but i doubt they are, I mean if Arsenal are in for Sahin true id of thought he would go there due to them having Champs League and us not.

Regarding Agger i dont think he will go unless a stupid fee is offered like people have suggested.
 
Purdy said:
Well when we take in to account what City spent on Lescott, Dzeko and I don't know who else who cost a fair amount of dosh I'd say its a fair sum at best, certainly not want LFC should be saying would do considering how much Rodwell just went for also.
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So if City spent £100m on Rodwell, Liverpool shouldn't sell Agger if they only offer £99m?

Once City offer us an amount that Rodgers and the club believe can be used to benefit the side, we should continue to push for as much as we can get but ultimately accept.

Principle is great until it starts to impede the progress of the club.
 
Purdy said:
Also what CB can they get of a similar quality for that amount that wants to play for LiverpoolFC? Considering how bad we get mugged in the market and that without Agger and having Carragher in his place is usually like gouging your eyes out is £27m really worth it?
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Totally pointless transfer if you try to sign like for like. Put the majority of the money in midfield or attack and fill the gap at the back with someone else, either cheaper, younger, or someone you already have coming through. You're not going to be hugely weeker at the back, but you could potentially be massively stronger up the field.
 
Yeah Baz, but £27m isn't quite the same as nearly quadruple the amount.

If we have unbelievable targets lined up accumulating to around that amount I'd agree, but in todays market and being Liverpool FC? I don't think so.

@ Wedgie, yes you could be right, but I do wonder how Skrtel would be with a long run of games without Agger. Also not sure who we can get at that price, or what two players further up the field who will improve what we have. I mean we have Lucas Gerrard Allen Suarez Borini Carroll who are all good in that part of the pitch, Henderson isn't bad either, and I don't believe we can possibly have the **** luck we did last year with not scoring. Not sure its worth weakening the defence for only £27m.
 
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Happy with 8th then?

Scored 47, less than Norwich, less than Blackburn who went down.

Conceded 40, same as Everton, around the same area as Chelsea and Spurs.

Pretty obvious where the main problems with the team are, no?
 
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Purdy said:
@Baz, that isn't a stupid amount for Agger though is my view, and hence I wouldn't accept it
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Your view and my view do not matter. Rodgers has been given the job and fought for assurances that he'd have the final say on transfers (and all footballing matters). If the club are going to give him the job then they have to back his decisions. If the most we get offered for Agger is £25m and Rodgers believes that he can spend that £25m on improving the side as a whole then he should be allowed to do that - we then judge Rodgers based on how well those decisions turn out.

If Rodgers decides that £25m isn't enough to replace Agger and improve the side, then we shouldn't (and expect that we won't) sell him. If Agger has a shocking season and/or is injured for half of it - we then judge Rodgers on that decision.
 
wedgie said:
Happy with 8th then?
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New manager, some new players, I'd like to hope a grain of good luck would get us about 10 more goals than last year. I don't see not selling Agger as us getting 8th again. I can see selling him and not getting similar quality in different parts of the pitch getting us 8th +/- 1 or 2 places though.


@Baz, agree with what your saying, still doesn't change my opinion that it isn't enough/worth selling Agger for that price as we won't get great replacements for his position for that money and good players in other parts of the pitch.
But yes like you said in the grand scheme of things my opinion means nothing on what is going to happen, but I still feel willing to sell him for that price isn't a smart move and particularly when there is every chance Agger still wants to stay going off his interviews/actions :p
 
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Purdy said:
New manager, some new players, I'd like to hope a grain of good luck would get us about 10 more goals than last year. I don't see not selling Agger as us getting 8th again. I can see selling him and not getting similar quality in different parts of the pitch getting us 8th +/- 1 or 2 places though.
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Possible, but I think you're placing a little too much importance on defence. Newcastle shipped 11 more goals than you, Arsenal 9, both finished significantly ahead of you in terms of points though because they had players that made a difference where it mattered.
 
wedgie said:
Possible, but I think you're placing a little too much importance on defence. Newcastle shipped 11 more goals than you, Arsenal 9, both finished significantly ahead of you in terms of points though because they had players that made a difference where it mattered.
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And not awful luck in front of goal either, also we started shipping some more goals when Lucas went out. (Potentially did when Agger was out with rib injury, can't remember.) Also what he offers us in bringing the ball forward is important also.

I'd like to fast forward a year and see what this team right now can achieve, i feel the quality is there for much more than last but we just didn't have much luck, had Suarez banned and just being generally bad/****** press the entire year.
 
Purdy said:
particularly when there is every chance Agger still wants to stay going off his interviews/actions :p
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I'm a big Agger fan but if what he wants isn't what benefits the club the most, I couldn't give a damn about what he wants.

Me and you don't have access to Liverpool's scouting network to know who we might have lined up and how good they are, nor do we know how much they might cost so it's difficult to say with any conviction that we can't improve the side for less than £x. However CB's tend not to cost massive money. Even if you add on football inflation, Agger didn't cost us anything like £25m, nor did Vidic cost Utd that, nor Kompany cost City.

Whenever you have to weaken your side to be able to possibly strengthen it, you're taking a gamble based on how well you buy. If that gamble comes off then it will speed up the process of catching the sides above us - if it doesn't come off, I'm not sure it will set us further back than we already are.
 
BaZ87 said:
if it doesn't come off, I'm not sure it will set us further back than we already are.
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You sure about that? Plenty of room for us to go worse in defence with Carra in for Agger.
Nor do I trust us to spend well in the market, hard to trust after all the money we've wasted.
 
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