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Punishment for cyclists?
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Just to be pedantic, Nobody pays Road Tax. Nobody ever has because there's never been a Road Tax.
lol me too actually in Belgium there is a law regarding this you are only allowed to double up once you are more than 10 cyclists. You can if you are fewer than 10 but have to go in single file if cars approach.
I love to point this out to lycra clad beer bellied 45 year olds on sundays by driving close to the fatty on the outside and blaring my horn...
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It's surprising how many people come out with the 'we pay road tax hurr durr' argument. Since when is any of the money the government takes off us ringfenced for any particular system?
There isn't a magic 'road tax' account that's purely spent on roads. There's just as much cash from income tax, inheritance tax, etc spent on the road network as any other tax.
There isn't a magic 'road tax' account that's purely spent on roads. There's just as much cash from income tax, inheritance tax, etc spent on the road network as any other tax.
What makes you think a lot of cyclists wouldn't prefer riding on roads of grass/mud/gravel? Unfortunately it's all "you" car and lorry drivers that force roads to be paved in this country. If we had less cars gravel roads would be sufficient like many back roads in many other western nations... Be careful what you wish for... especially if, going by your name, you drive low spung road vehicle...
It amazes me people even have the time to talk about stuff like this thread with such hotness in the world*. This'll go perfectly with my jet black Win 7 theme and Chrome theme. Nice one.
*No offense to the posters.
Yes cyclist should be fined for committing traffic offenses, after all why not. The problem is catching them. Im a keen cyclist and i also drive. When i cycle i have more problems with drivers nearly killing me - i class my self as a good cyclist, i dont take risks and im considerate and try and reduce me being on the road impacting on drivers as much as i can. I can honestly say i have never had any problems with cyclsist when i drive, perhaps i anticipate their actions more than a non cyclist. The point being if everyone is truely honest i bet they have more problems with other drivers than cyclists when driving.
Where are all the threads about being cut up by an idoit driver etc.........
Where are all the threads about being cut up by an idoit driver etc.........
It amazes me people even have the time to talk about stuff like this thread with such hotness in the world*. This'll go perfectly with my jet black Win 7 theme and Chrome theme. Nice one.
*No offense to the posters.
No worries.
I was actually doing several things when I searched for that. Multitasking at it's finest lol.
lol me too actually in Belgium there is a law regarding this you are only allowed to double up once you are more than 10 cyclists. You can if you are fewer than 10 but have to go in single file if cars approach.
I love to point this out to lycra clad beer bellied 45 year olds on sundays by driving close to the fatty on the outside and blaring my horn...
Yeah thats dead funny that is, nothing like scaring the living daylights out of someone on a bike and doing something that could potentionally cause them to fall off and be killed. Oh and why do you do this, well of course they have added 30 seconds to your journey as you couldn't get past - only to find when you get to your destination they haven't actually held you up at all !
hehe brilliant
gotta remember though any one of any age can ride a bike are we gonna have a law saying every kid 4 plus needs to learn the highway code, and a licsence to use their tricicyle that makes bat man noises?
Not only can you get points on your driving licence whilst cycling, you can lose your driving licence.
I'd rolleyes if I could be bothered. Lack of regard for the highway code and road standards is far from a cyclist's bailiwick.
I parked my car after returning home from work, it was dark, opened my car door to find a cyclist run into my car door, no lights or florescent gear on, which is why I didn't see him when I checked my door mirror prior to opening my door.
My car door was buckled from the impact and the cyclist was hurt, it was classed as an RTA despite me being stationary, plus the cyclist braking the law by cycling with no lights etc.
The first thing the cyclist mentioned was claiming againts my insurance, for the damage to his bike and also for loss of earnings for being out of work whilst his hand mended....
I was interviewed by the police and when it was clear that this was the cyclists fault, the police agreed, I asked about claiming against his insurance fir the damage to my car, loan car whilst mine is being repaired, the cyclist soon changed his tune and quickly dropped all motion of possible claims against my insurance, just goes to show in my case it was a one way insurance claim, cyclist against me, no care for wanting to repair the damage he caused to my car, as he had no insurance cover, but was more than willing to claim against me.
I am in favor of compulsory insurance for ANY thing using the public highway, so that any eventually is covered, after all why should the motorists be liable for claims from cyclists but not the other way around.
I'm also in favor of compulsory identification for cyclists, like all other highway vehicles have to comply with, why one rule for one, but not another, you want to use the road, you follow the rules that the rest of us have no option in following, which is identification and insurance at a minimum.
My car door was buckled from the impact and the cyclist was hurt, it was classed as an RTA despite me being stationary, plus the cyclist braking the law by cycling with no lights etc.
The first thing the cyclist mentioned was claiming againts my insurance, for the damage to his bike and also for loss of earnings for being out of work whilst his hand mended....
I was interviewed by the police and when it was clear that this was the cyclists fault, the police agreed, I asked about claiming against his insurance fir the damage to my car, loan car whilst mine is being repaired, the cyclist soon changed his tune and quickly dropped all motion of possible claims against my insurance, just goes to show in my case it was a one way insurance claim, cyclist against me, no care for wanting to repair the damage he caused to my car, as he had no insurance cover, but was more than willing to claim against me.
I am in favor of compulsory insurance for ANY thing using the public highway, so that any eventually is covered, after all why should the motorists be liable for claims from cyclists but not the other way around.
I'm also in favor of compulsory identification for cyclists, like all other highway vehicles have to comply with, why one rule for one, but not another, you want to use the road, you follow the rules that the rest of us have no option in following, which is identification and insurance at a minimum.
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He'd have had insurance on his house cover.
You should have perused a claim.
Even if he didn't have house insurance you could have still sued him - not having insurance does not remove liability.
There are more classes of road user that don't require identification and insurance to use the highways than those that do
Think about it.
No idea why people keep mentioning cyclists don't pay road tax. As others have said there is no such thing! I caught a little of an old top gear episode though last night and Mr Clarkson in jest made a comment that cyclists shouldn't be on the road as they don't pay tax. I actually think that some of the morons that watched this may actually believe what he said to be true and have taken it seriously!!
Here are a few rules from the highway code regarding cycling:
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You should
•keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
•keep both feet on the pedals
•never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
•not ride close behind another vehicle
•not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
•be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted
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Cycle Routes and Other Facilities. Use cycle routes, advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan crossings unless at the time it is unsafe to do so. Use of these facilities is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
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Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 140). Keep within the lane when practicable. When leaving a cycle lane check before pulling out that it is safe to do so and signal your intention clearly to other road users. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
As I've said it is the mentality, attitude, selfishness and lack of knowledge people have that causes most issues. Generally when I've seen a peleton of riders out (usually on a Sunday club run or something) they are on quiet rural roads and not more than two abreast. These are only my observations though. Remember when overtaking a cyclist you should treat it as over taking any other vehicle. When I do cycle on the road I ride in quite a defensive position on narrow roads to prevent being squeezed into the hedgerow or gutter. I position myself in an extremely defensive position when approaching traffic islands in the centre of the road. I've actually had car drivers had to go the wrong side of the island to avoid me?! crazy.
When I'm out in my car behind a cyclist do I get furious they are holding me up a little, no as I've allowed enough time to get to where I want to be. On the odd occasion I am running a bit late it is the case of oh well it's my own fault not the persons holding me up.
I am pretty confident that each day there are far more car on car incidents where a wing mirror has been clipped or a carpark ding etc and the guilty party has just driven off. Percentage wise however of total cars on the road to driveaway incidents and total bikes on the road to rideaway incidents I have no idea.
Here are a few rules from the highway code regarding cycling:
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You should
•keep both hands on the handlebars except when signalling or changing gear
•keep both feet on the pedals
•never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
•not ride close behind another vehicle
•not carry anything which will affect your balance or may get tangled up with your wheels or chain
•be considerate of other road users, particularly blind and partially sighted pedestrians. Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one. It is recommended that a bell be fitted
61
Cycle Routes and Other Facilities. Use cycle routes, advanced stop lines, cycle boxes and toucan crossings unless at the time it is unsafe to do so. Use of these facilities is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
63
Cycle Lanes. These are marked by a white line (which may be broken) along the carriageway (see Rule 140). Keep within the lane when practicable. When leaving a cycle lane check before pulling out that it is safe to do so and signal your intention clearly to other road users. Use of cycle lanes is not compulsory and will depend on your experience and skills, but they can make your journey safer.
As I've said it is the mentality, attitude, selfishness and lack of knowledge people have that causes most issues. Generally when I've seen a peleton of riders out (usually on a Sunday club run or something) they are on quiet rural roads and not more than two abreast. These are only my observations though. Remember when overtaking a cyclist you should treat it as over taking any other vehicle. When I do cycle on the road I ride in quite a defensive position on narrow roads to prevent being squeezed into the hedgerow or gutter. I position myself in an extremely defensive position when approaching traffic islands in the centre of the road. I've actually had car drivers had to go the wrong side of the island to avoid me?! crazy.
When I'm out in my car behind a cyclist do I get furious they are holding me up a little, no as I've allowed enough time to get to where I want to be. On the odd occasion I am running a bit late it is the case of oh well it's my own fault not the persons holding me up.
I am pretty confident that each day there are far more car on car incidents where a wing mirror has been clipped or a carpark ding etc and the guilty party has just driven off. Percentage wise however of total cars on the road to driveaway incidents and total bikes on the road to rideaway incidents I have no idea.
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I get the impression some of the contributors to this thread wrote their posts whilst staring longingly at their 6ft tall framed poster of the Top Gear trio, chuckling away savouring one of Clarkson's gags about cyclists all being gay, or something.
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friend last week was cut up by car on his bike he was going very slow but has managed to break arm bone went right threw skin and has smashed elbow joint the car never even stopped!
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Maybe because they don't?
The old "It's actually called VED" argument cyclists use is a weasel argument. The point is, anyone can get on a bike without having to a penny in tests, 'excise duty', insurance, petrol etc etc etc etc.
A lot of car drivers need to start being more considerate around cyclists, they drive with complete disregard for 'us'.
I've had cars just pull out infront of me, forcing me into hard braking which many bikes would fail to do, thus imprinting a cyclist shape into the side of their car.
Passing me with mm between us, when their is only one car coming the opposite way and your wait would be 5 seconds max, and to be honest, Im going the speed limit anyway around town.
There are so many 'you need road tax' and 'you need insurance' idiots, the gallows are calling, you are the people I described above. What damage is my bike doing to the road? How many times do bikes run into cars when it was the cyclists fault?
I drive too, and have never had a problem with bikes, just look ahead properly and give them space and you won't be surprised to see them.
I've had cars just pull out infront of me, forcing me into hard braking which many bikes would fail to do, thus imprinting a cyclist shape into the side of their car.
Passing me with mm between us, when their is only one car coming the opposite way and your wait would be 5 seconds max, and to be honest, Im going the speed limit anyway around town.
There are so many 'you need road tax' and 'you need insurance' idiots, the gallows are calling, you are the people I described above. What damage is my bike doing to the road? How many times do bikes run into cars when it was the cyclists fault?
I drive too, and have never had a problem with bikes, just look ahead properly and give them space and you won't be surprised to see them.